@independentone After Nixon's meeting with Chou En-Lai, some anti-communist extremists considered him to be insufficiently conservative. Back then, "conservatism" was defined by how hard you hated communism, just as it's defined today by how far your head is up Trump's ass.
Clinton beat Reagan in almost every important measure: jobs, defict, growth. And Trump is bottom of the barrel!! Let's look at a few numbers.
JOB CREATION Reagan 16.5 million Clinton 18.6 million Bush 5.8 million Obama 8.9 million Trump NEGATIVE 3 million
YEARLY DEFICIT Reagan $79 billion to $152 billion Clinton lowered our deficit from 255 billion to a $126 billion SURPLUS in 2001 Bush raised deficit from 0 to 1412 billion Obama lowered deficit from 1412 billion to 585 billion Trump raised from 585 billion up to ~4000 billion
DJIA Jan 20 1981, Reagan takes office 946; Jan 20 1989, Reagan leaves office 2235; Up 136% or 11.3% growth per year. Jan 20 1993, Clinton takes office 3242; Jan 20 2001, Clinton leaves office 10588; up 227%, or 15.92% growth per year. Jan 20 2001, Bush takes office 10588; Jan 20 2009, Bush leaves office 7949; NEGATIVE 3.5% per year. Jan 20 2009, Obama takes office 7949; Jan 20 2017, Obama leaves office 19827; up almost 150% over 8 years, or 12.1% per year (1.121^8=2.49). Jan 20 2017, Trump takes office 19827; Jan 20 2021, Trump leaves office 30,930; up 56% over 4 years, or 11.76% growth per year.
@MethDozer You will have a hard time proving much of what you say...
Supply side economics shut down inflation and lowered prices. Spending by the government did increase during Regan years because of the cold war... Clearly you are not aware of the big picture... Just what you want to see... The Spending during Biden years Dwarfs everyone almost combined....
The fact you find our economy today as "good" is insane.
The damage Reagan did to the country is incalculable. If Trump is reelected, he'll finish it off. What's ironic is that if Reagan was running for office today, he'd be considered a liberal.
@Reason10 reagan removed liability for big pharma on so called vaccines due to them losing court cases for injury and death their products caused in people. Moved the burden on to the tax (theft) payer.
Same old play book, fake conservative loads the gun, fake liberal pulls the trigger. Or vise versa. They represent the same interests and its not you.
@MarmeeMarch I hear that a lot but I'm not sure. JFK was big on civil rights. Today that would translate to support for trans rights and recognition that systemic racism exists. The conservative Republicans would be calling him a commie.
@Reason10 Nope. The Reich is on [i]your[/i] side. Here are a few receipts, because I bring concrete evidence to back up my claim,instead of “feelings”, which appear to be overwhelming you:, and leading to your triggered outburst :
January 6th, 2021, at the insurrection fomented by your ilk to subvert the democratic process by kidnapping and assassinating lawmakers to prevent them from certifying Biden”s electoral victory in the presidential election, because he wasn’t their preferred candidate:
At Charlottesville , the night before the March where they recreated a Nuremberg-like atmosphere with Tiki-Torches:
And give the Nazi salute!
And proudly displaying the flag of the Fascists we defeated in WW2:
I mean, at this point your ilk aren’t even pretending not to be fascists, and support one who has exclaimed that he’ll be a dictator on Day 1 if elected to a new term:
Your ilk even have t-shirts made mocking the systematic murder of 6 million Jews -“6 Million Wasn’t Enough”
@hunkalove yup I think you're mostly correct. Jimmy Carter right before that was a compromise at best but today I weep thinking about how much better we COULD have made it...
@Reason10 wow, your post on teachers shows you have some intelligent dialogue in you. This unfortunately does not. If people would put their verbal weapons down for 2 seconds and actually listen and think, maybe there could actually be hope. Not like this!
@MarmeeMarch says [quote] And you use these cut and paste snippets from the Internet. Not impressed. [/quote]DUUUDE!!! Many many scientific publications are available on the internet! That delivery channel does NOT alter the scientific content!! Are you honestly trying to conflate the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences with the garbage published by Qanon???
[quote] you claim to be trained in science yet you insist in mixing politics and hard scientific numbers together[/quote] It's a sad fact of modern American life that denial of science correlates positively with right-wing political leanings.
I've seen right-wingers here repeatedly claim that acid rain and the ozone hole were hoaxes ("why don't we hear about ... anymore"). And it's right-wing orthodoxy that global warming is a hoax.
Thus it comes as no surprise that the same science deniers (some also deny evolution and the geological age of the Earth) would also deny Covid and the tested efficacy of the mRNA vaccines. And the sad result of that denial shows up in relative Covid death rates in red vs blue counties. Chide me all you like, but the numbers don't lie.
And @MarmeeMarch says, of Covid vaccine development, [quote]Doesn’t matter it was kicked off by Trump’s administration under Trump‘s watch whether you like it or not that’s a fact.[/quote] No, @MarmeeMarch, that's false. Trump did NOT "kick off" vaccine development around the world. Trump formally announced Operation Warp Speed on May 15, 2020, in the White House Rose Garden.
Meanwhile, on March 17, in Germany, Pfizer signed a letter of intent with BioNTech to co-develop a potential COVID-19 vaccine. By the time Trump announced Op Warp Speed, Pfizer was already conducting phase 1 trials.
Meanwhile, in Feb 2020, Oxford University started developing the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine. Oxford–AstraZeneca is a viral vector vaccine, one of MANY such vaccines efforts which were started in Feb & Mar 2020.
And Moderna, long before any input from the Trump admin, had also begun developing its mRNA vaccine. Moderna started phase 1 trials in Mar 2020; see [b]https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/3/682[/b]
[quote] kicked off by Trump’s administration[/quote] You couldn't be more wrong. The fact is, Trump jumped onto an already rolling bandwagon, with dozens of efforts in multiple nations already underway, and in typical Trump style, Trump tried to take credit for the efforts of many others.
@MarmeeMarch Yep, that was towards the end of Moderna's phase III trial. If you look deeper into the timeline, you'll find Moderna initiated phase 1 trials in late MARCH 2020, which was LONG before Trump announced Op Warp Speed on May 15 2020. Thus Trump did NOT "kick off" vaccine development in any way shape or form; it was already well under way.
The fact is, Trump jumped onto an already rolling bandwagon, with dozens of efforts in multiple nations already underway, Other nations, thru their national health services, had already made similar promises to deliver vaccines. and in typical Trump style, Trump tried to take credit for the efforts of many others. Op Warp Speed was a fine idea, but it didn't "kick off" anything.
I didn't agree with many of Reagan's policies, but I really liked the guy. He was always polite, he listened to opposing ideas and never put others down for having different ideas.
Trump on the other hand is just a turd that needs to be flushed.
@Strictgram I'm curious. Why are you using that weird avatar with half the head cut off and why are you labeled as a "C" ? Is that for "Catfish"? What people do in their spare time is not my business but you seem grossly creepy
Are you and @pleasurepunch the same person? It seems weird they showed up to support you then suspended the account: [quote]PleasurePunch is away from SimilarWorlds at the moment. Contact with this user may be limited until the user returns.[/quote]
@MarmeeMarch says [quote] When you have the "gift from china" during your presidency - of course your natural numbers will spike out of control.
Note: that gift from china thing I put in there was just sarcasm - I actually meant the deadly China Virus that literally poisoned the entire world.[/quote] Thanks, marmee, for underlining Trump YUGEST failure. The numbers show Trump handled Covid far worse than other leaders.
All through Trump's term, our Covid per capita death rate was DOUBLE that of countries like Canada & Germany, resulting in about 550,000 Covid deaths under Trump.
If Trump had handled Covid as well as, say, Justin Trudeau, we'd have had 275,000 FEWER DEATHS! Put another way, Trump's mis-management of Covid cost more deaths than THREE Viet Nam wars!! Three Viet Nams in a SINGLE YEAR, not spread out over ten years like the actual war!!!
Sure, Covid came from outside. And different leaders in different countries managed it differently. Trump's piss-poor Covid management is made clear by the relative per capita death rates.
[quote]"I look at it this way," Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta. "The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."[/quote]
@MarmeeMarch Yes, you DID say that. Here's a quote of you: [quote]Doesn’t matter it was kicked off by Trump’s administration under Trump‘s watch whether you like it or not [/quote] DEAD WRONG!!! (and you'll probably delete the post where you said it!)
Meanwhile, on March 17, in Germany, Pfizer signed a letter of intent with BioNTech to co-develop a potential COVID-19 vaccine. By the time Trump announced Op Warp Speed, Pfizer was already conducting phase 1 trials.
Meanwhile, in Feb 2020, Oxford University started developing the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine. Oxford–AstraZeneca is a viral vector vaccine, one of MANY such vaccines efforts which were started in Feb & Mar 2020.
The fact is, Trump jumped onto an already rolling bandwagon, with dozens of efforts in multiple nations already underway, and many governments were underwriting vaccine efforts prior to Op Warp Speed. Thus, in typical Trump style, Trump tried to take credit for the efforts of many others.
@MarmeeMarch Agreed. [quote] the fact of the matter is that DT made the promise to deliver some kind of a vax months before it was rolled out in December.[/quote] AND, the fact of the matter is that Trump made his announcement on May 7, 2020, which was MONTHS after other nations, with their national health services, had already made similar promises.
AND, the fact of the matter is that Trump made his announcement MONTHS after dozens of vaccine efforts had been started by dozens of research organizations in the US and around the world.
AND, the fact of the matter is that Trump jumped on an already rolling bandwagon. Nothing wrong with that; other nations had made smart moves so it was smart to copy.
AND I find it quite amusing that many right-wingers try give Trump credit for Covid vaccine development, such as you did with your " kicked off by Trump’s administration" comment. In fact, It has been suggested here on SW by various right-wingers that we wouldn't have a vaccine if it weren't for Trump. And as I keep saying, nothing could be further from the truth.
@ilikeitlikethat23 They both were given cognitive tests............for same reason. It was obvious to everyone around them both they were both in mental decline.
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Reagan was greatly disliked abroad. Trump is rated 3rd worst president.
@SW-User Reagan was FEARED by the Soviet Union, who at the time was a mortal threat to the west. He and Trump were the two GREATEST presidents in history and only a moron thinks otherwise.
@Reason10 Only in you uninformed weak mind were Carter, Obama and Biden the worst Presidents. You claim to be some sort of teacher, I will give you credit for being the one responsible for the duh if Floriduh
Actually,George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were the two greatest Presidents in history;Id put Washington somewhat ahead of Lincoln,although Lincoln was certainly great in his own right.But I would certainly agree that Regan and Trump are among the greatest Presidents of modern times.
@DavidT8899 Yes,, it would have, and that idea is still around in the notion of a unitary president that Nixon believed in, and that Bill Barr used as justification for some of Trump's actions.
@windinhishair Well,that's your opinion and you are entitled to it;I see Joe Bidens actions as being far more unitary then anything Trump did.As far as I'm concerned,one of Trumps flaws as President was that,dispite his bombast,he DIDNT use all of the direct powers afforded to him as President when he should have.
@DavidT8899 Biden is far more restrained than Trump was. AG Barr functioned as Trump's personal attorney and wingman instead of his constitutional duty to serve the nation. He saw the result of his blind support on January 6 and has been working very hard to rehabilitate his own reputation. Fortunately history will record him as a toady for Trump and a failure as AG.
What extra-constitutional powers would you have wanted Trump to institute?
Not only is it not a meeting of the two greatest presidents, according to ranking of historians, it is in the bottom of the third quartile, not quite equivalent to the meetings of James Garfield and Chester Alan Arthur around 1880.
You must be one of those who let's babies starve to death after they are born and are ok with Trump raping women on and off Epstein Island
If abortion is your single reason for supporting corruption and fascism and you justify it by sticking your nose in another women's uterus, you are one sick broad
@thisguy20 I once heard a dermatologist who specialized in the scalp say that Reagan's hairline was almost unheard of outside of eunuchs. It is extremely rare for a man of that age to not at least have some hair loss at the temples. Although I did work with a guy who had a similar hairline and jet-black hair in his 60s (and he wasn't a eunuch). But it's extremely rare.
Reagan is the worst President in US history. He pretty much single handedly destroyed the middle class and turned the entire nation into an ever increasing shithole of blight for decades after his leaving office.
The damage that man and his asinine ideas and cabinet created is astronomical.
