@Razoreye001 Tankies are close enough. The Ninja Turtles don't like Red Fashies either.

I will grant that Fascism requires reactionary views, whereas Tankies as a whole don't have a consistent view on social issues. So I guess y'all are the lesser evil there.

@BohemianBoo At least you give us credit for something.

@Razoreye001 That's also why I vote Democrat. Lesser evil.

@ExtremeNext

@Razoreye001 He's never been charged with treason nor has he been prosecuted.

@ExtremeNext Trump is a Russian asset. He was being groomed by KGB as early as the 80s. His first trip to Russia was 1987. When he came back he took out full page ads in newspapers saying the US should pull out of NATO. Who needs allies, right? Putin bought Trump. It was the best purchase he ever made.

@originnone Point #1...........There's the GOP and what left of the GOP. MOST of the old GOP are now dinosaurs. Trumps GOP absolutely think the time has come to tear up the Constitution.........as he promised to do if elected in 2024. That is facist.

Point #2..........you must have no idea how a cult behaves. When you are so poor you can't buy gas but you send money blindly to a millionaire......that's a cult. When you can not hear anything bad about the leader........or see it.........or even WANT to read about it..........it's a cult. When justice does not apply to the cult leader but you hear "what about him"..."what about her"........for doing what they think is the same thing.....then they believe that ONLY one person on earth is immune from law. That's a cult. When one person they follow like sheep is thought to be Jesus....."sent directly from God".....that is a cult.

Point #3........Occassionally in history the popular vote "IS" irrelevant. For instance after all the recounts Gore beat Bush Jr...........but never took office. In the 2016 election Hillary beat trump by over 3 million votes and did not take office. As long as the E.C. exists this possibility exists over and over for any election to come.

@anythingoes477 Well, you can have whatever opinion about issues that you see fit....but when you change definitions of words and decide the rules that were agreed to before an election should have been different after the election, you lose a lot of credibility.

I'll also counter that I think the masses under the GOP always had some of the negative characteristics we've seen recently. I think they are just exposed more now. Maybe true "conservatives" are the dinosaurs....like the Reagans, Goldwaters, etc.

@originnone " when you change definitions of words and decide the rules that were agreed to before an election should have been different after the election, you lose a lot of credibility."

I have absolutely no clue what that refers too...........but whatever.

@BohemianBoo Well, how does voting for moderates move us to the left? We've been voting for the lesser of two evils for as long as I could remember, and never has the left won anything, ever. Not by voting for Obama twice, and not by electing Joe Biden. Don't you see the rich control both parties, and the democrats are paid to lose elections on purpose, or do nothing when elected to make it easier for republicans to win. You're never going to push this country to the left if you vote for the system, and America is already an oligarchy. It has been since Citizens United.

Also, us tankies aren't fascists, in fact by and large the Soviets killed more Nazis than the British and Americans have. It's a shame the Soviets lost the cold war, because now we have to deal with these capitalist powers with no major opposition. I assume you're some Vaushite liberal, and not a leftist.

@Razoreye001 I would explain how wrong all of this is, but if you're a Red Fascist, I assume you legit don't care.

@BohemianBoo Whatever you say liberal.

@DIABLISS sorry, poorly written.

No im not starting a movement and its not pertinent what i think about voting in a supreme ruler.

The original question remains unanswered, "why is anyone/you voting in 2024 and giving consent to be ruled over?"

@gol979 failing to vote does not withhold consent. If you want to get rid of the government altogether, train a damn army. In the meantime, few revolutionaries are privileged to choose their own enemy.

@BlueVeins yeah it does. And yet again, the question still stands

@Human1000 I try to stay practical. Ideally I'd vote Green or somewhere to the left of that. But Trump and DeSantis are dangerous fascists, and Pence is a slave to his religious bigotries. I would much rather vote for something than against something, but the things I want are long term endeavors and won't come to pass if the far right regresses our culture a hundred years.

I would not like Christie, or any republican president due to Supreme Court concerns, but a man like Christie would not terrify me quite so much. He's corrupt as hell but he doesn't give me fascist or Christian nationalist vibes in the same way the other primary candidates do.

@ViciDraco It's amazing how much better Christie comes off compared to the fascist psychopaths that now dominate right-wing politics. He's pro-democracy, doesn't do the "anti-woke" bullshit, and generally lives in reality. I know he won't get the nomination, but I'd feel waaaay better if the 2024 election was Christie vs Biden.

@BohemianBoo absolutely. As i said, I wouldn't want him to win, but I wouldn't feel terrified to have him as a president. He's the kind of republican you can have differences of opinion with and not feel like he's going to start a civil war if he doesn't get his way.

@Gloomy Best answer!

@Gloomy Based.

@Razoreye001 Not me, truth.

@Human1000 Oh, so you're accusing me of being a grifter?

@Razoreye001 I don’t think you know what grifter means.

@DIABLISS aw right, aw right, aw right, aw right, aw right!!!

@Peaceandnamaste Antifa is fascist, doofus 🤦‍♂️

@Belladonna Also based.

@Razoreye001 Sorry, I don't know what that means.

@Belladonna It means great choice!

@Roundandroundwego I'd rather have Thomas Sowell instead now there's a class act

@Disgustedman he's not running. Maryanne Williamson is running on the need for an economic bill of rights for citizens.

@Roundandroundwego I swear it's hilarious to look at the Democratic candidates that you're popping up with. I mean I've seen some on the Republican side that are a little off-kilter but the the two that you've mentioned so far straight jacket City....

@SatanBurger [quote]People thought by voting against him it would stop him from being elected but that didn't work.[/quote]

Of course it did. He lost in 2020. And for all of Biden's faults, he fixed the economy and we're continuing to recover.
Meanwhile, the Republicans are doing everything they can to end democracy, eliminate all welfare programs, and kill queer people.

@BohemianBoo Putting trump aside, I just can't vote anymore because the next president undos everyone else's stuff which is okay because it's checks and balances if the last president messed up so I understand the theory, just annoying.

Our system is kind of like this in how I see it:

Picture you are in a job that switches bad management every year. And the management installs new laws, updates existing ones into how they think things should be and hires new employees while firing old ones. Lots and lots of paperwork.

But in this mess, here you are, an employee and the new management makes things even worse and better at the same time. Things don't add up, sometimes people get wrongly fired, sometimes certain types get blamed for others mistakes while the same people still have their jobs and you get the brunt of it, sometimes paperwork just gets lost, rewritten laws are on top of old laws in which the writing contradictes itself... making as mess of things.

That's just how I view our system. I've never benefited from any sitting president. Whatever laws are introduced like health care even, I don't ever see it.

It's just a waste of time.

@SatanBurger So first of all, the president isn't able to undo everything. Trump wasn't able to undo the ACA. Biden wasn't able to undo the overturning of Roe v Wade. Plus, the Republicans are consistently trying to end our democracy, so this could literally be the last election.

Secondly, let's say the premise was correct. What you're saying is that instead of maintaining an imperfect status quo, you want things to get worse. Because that is what happens when people don't vote. The system is rigged so that the less people on average that vote, the more of a chance that Republicans win.

@Alabamarednek Very Based.

@Alabamarednek

@Razoreye001 I cant help but cringe when leftists use "based"

@Crazywaterspring Also very Based!

@Crazywaterspring even after his theatre show of 2016? Oh well, im sure he will love the millions in donations and maybe you could pay $75 to go and hear "man of the people" bernie talk at you?

@eli1601 I don't care who you are that picture of the traitor is funny. This one is more accurate......

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@Razoreye001 Sooooooo asking for a friend......which Liberal was it that passed a PERMANENT tax break for the ultra rich capitalists? So that now anyone who makes more than $2 million a year pays less than a high school teacher does? So Trump and GOP were liberals all along???? Who knew??

@anythingoes477 Who made the Bush tax cuts permanent?

@Razoreye001 The wording in the bill passed by the House and Senate under Bush. Which was the template the Repubes used to make trump's tax scam non-repealable.

@Confined Not true! Trump won in 2016 and every American, decent human being, and law abiding citizen lost—BIGLY!

@KunsanVeteran i didnt. I got raise, made money in my 401k and retirement accounts. Lost all gains when the criminal took office. I will never be able to retire.

@ElwoodBlues same here. AOC she is like a young Bernie with piss and vinegar.

@SatanBurger He does have an amazing beard, I'll give him that.

@BohemianBoo Yeah he does, I love being a woman but even I want a beard like that 🤣

@Dlrannie There are better communists to support than Xi Jinping.

@Caballero 🤦‍♀️

@Azlotto PUTIN ** TRUMP 2024

SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD—lock ‘em BOTH up!

@Azlotto You misspelled destroy.

@LordShadowfire Acceptable.

@Darksideinthenight2 I'd agree but I want at least 25% more!