Wait, so DeSantis is paying big money to fly TEXAS migrants to Martha's Vinyard?

@SomeMichGuy
H. Rept. 105-416 - DISMISSING THE ELECTION CONTEST AGAINST LORETTA SANCHEZ105th Congress (1997-1998)
COMMITTEE REPORT
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Report Type: House Report
Accompanies: H.Res.355


They found hundreds of illegal votes but stopped investigating before trying to ascertain how many illegal votes were cast. Democrats do not want investigations to discover the full extent of the fraud.

After a careful comparison between the Orange County voter
registration files and INS databases the Task Force was able to
clearly and convincingly document that 624 persons had
illegally registered and thus were not eligible to cast ballots
in the November 1996 election.60 In addition, the
Task Force discovered 196 instances where there is a
circumstantial indication that a voter registered
illegally.61 Further, the Orange County Registrar of
voters voided 124 improper absentee ballots.62 In
total, the Task Force found clear and convincing evidence that
748 invalid votes were cast in this election.
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The question of how many aliens are registered and voting
in the Forty-sixth Congressional District has not been resolved
by this Task Force investigation.

The investigation of this
contest has confirmed that there is a significant number of
aliens who appear within the INS data bases and are on the
voter registration rolls of Orange County. This fact leads
logically to a serious question and a troubling hypothesis: if
there is a significant number of ``documented aliens'', aliens
in INS records, on the Orange County voter registration rolls,
how many illegal or undocumented aliens may be registered to
vote in Orange County?

The Task Force can make no conclusion
based on the materials before it as to the number of illegal
aliens who may be on Orange County registration rolls. The Task
Force does not have available to it clear and convincing
evidence on the number of undocumented aliens who may be
registered voters in Orange County.
Only clear and convincing evidence can provide the basis to
overcome the presumption of the legitimacy of the electoral
process.

@marke

Let me say that ANY fraud is unacceptable.

But the fact still is that, by the numbers you quoted from the wikipedia article, if ALL the flawed & "possibly" illegal votes were cast *for* Ms. Sanchez, removing them *still* leaves a victory of 236 votes.

MORE troubling is that, from your summary, it seems that allegation "a" was never decided.

That is simple question which should have stopped any definite final count from being given out without saying that such an impossible result required an investigation & confirmation of votes.

Also, this is not the same as an explanation for the 2020 Presidential election in the US.

@SomeMichGuy
Congress failed to fully investigate what were clear signs of thousands of illegal votes. That is what lazy or corrupt politicians do, they sin against the American people by habit, design, neglect, and by corruption. Congress admitted there was a likelihood that thousands of illegal votes were cast and that it was not their intention of looking into the matter to insure that only legal votes were counted. Here is more from the Congressional Record:

Ms. Sanchez's Motion argued for dismissal of the election
contest on the following procedural grounds:

Democrats do not prove no fraud occurred. They simply argue against investigations on procedural grounds, like was done to dismiss so many dozens of voter fraud cases brought before courts in 2020 and 2021.

Unlike court and congressional rejections of voter fraud claims in 2020, Congress admitted the evidence of voter fraud in 1996 was credible.

This represents the first time that the House has moved
forward with a hearing on the merits of an election contest
under the FCEA. This decision was based on the substantial and
credible allegations of fraud contained in Mr. Dornan's Notice.
These allegations were supported by independent investigations
being conducted by the California Secretary of State and the
Orange County District Attorney.


Democrats have been committing voter fraud for more than a century and have fought investigations into fraud for the entire time.

While the Democrats controlled Congress for forty years,
there was a consistent denial of access to facts, which
frustrated efforts to uncover possible vote fraud or
malfeasance in our electoral system.


Congressional democrats, California democrats, democrat-friendly INS officials and others resisted and obstructed the investigation and Congress simply allowed them to get away with fraud by not fighting them to provide the documents that could have proven whether massive fraud occurred or not. Democrats did that in 1996 and they did it again in elections afterward, especially in 2020.

On May 21st, in partial compliance with the subpoenas, the INS
provided to the Committee the results of a last name and date-
of-birth match 74 between the INS's Central Index
System and Naturalization Casework System and the Orange County
voter registration list. This computer run identified over
368,520 matches in Orange County and approximately 136,052
matches in the 46th District. All matches are limited to INS
files that indicate that a person is not naturalized or that
they naturalized after the date on which they registered to
vote.

@sunsporter1649 Was that after the 1/6 insurrection?

@BohemianBabe Sporty is changing the subject. He does that a lot, especially when "his side" is losing a debate.

@ElwoodBlues I don't even know what point he's trying to deflect to.

@MrSmooTh seems like propaganda talk to me

@ElwoodBlues Because they said so.

@MrSmooTh So you've got a quote to prove your point? Link?? Some sort of evidence???

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3 weeks later, and you've got NOTHING,
LOL!!!

@marke Until a hundred thousand babies end up in the system for adoption and then tax dollars are needed to take care of those "freeloading little socialism loving bastards"....right? I....we.....can hear you now.

@anythingoes477

Do you advocate killing unborn babies so they will not possibly end up on welfare?

@anythingoes477
Why do filthy rich white democrats in gated communities keep saying there is no immigration crisis but yell like hell if the homeless brown people show up in their neighborhoods?

Trump is very much not the past. So anything you say after that has no merit. @FatEight

@FatEight The FBI is doing what it always has done...focusing on criminals. Not "the rest of us". You seen them storming your door? I haven’t seen them at mine...or anyone else i know. Trump....among other things...has committed treason. That's why he's on the FBI radar....right where he should be.

You talk about the Dems and Nazi's. But its pure fascism to suggest trump can break the law and he should get a pass....because ur queer for him. Its pure fascism to tell America we dont care that someone else won..... we want the loser to rule America. And you talk about freedoms disappearing? Well no kidding. Voter suppression.....a womans rights to choose what to do with her own body.....teachers are not allowed to teach actual history anymore brcause it disagrees with the white supremacy view of what history should be remembered as. Book banning. Removing the EPAs power to ban emissions in our air and water. Mickey Mouse is our enemy now. Graham wanting a bill passed to kill equal rights for gays. If you're looking at whose taking our freedoms away try watching actual news for a change. Why not tell us all what freedoms anyone but a Republican has taken away? You live in a cloud of delusion and hate and conspiracy theories. Typical red hatter.

@anythingoes477
Democrats stupidly accuse Trump of treason after spending years trying to overthrow the legitimately elected President of the United States.

@ElwoodBlues
Are you saying brochures that say Massachusetts will welcome immigrants and provide them with support are lying?

@marke I'm saying those particular brochures made particular false promises. I'm basing my statement on the statements of a lawyer. Here, I'll quote her again:


BTW, have you noticed how much the taxpayers of Florida paid to put those 48 people on planes and fly them to MV? One payment of about $600K ("Project 1") and another of $900K ("Projects 2 & 3")!! That works out to over $30,000 per person to fly them from San Antonio to Martha's Vineyard!!! And those people weren't even in Florida to begin with!!!! Real good use of Florida's taxpayer dollars, wouldn't you say??

@ElwoodBlues
I am more impressed by Governor DeSantis's legal credentials as a Harvard law graduate than by biased opinions uttered by Ricci, a Barry University graduate.

I suspect De Santis spent a few million dollars in efforts to draw attention to the immigration crisis costing US taxpayers more than $300 billion dollars each year with sharp increases in costs expected in the years ahead.

@robingoodfellow If slo joe is doing it, why are you so upset DeSantis is doing it?

@sunsporter1649 you've got to be kidding if you think I'm going to explain it a third time ...

@robingoodfellow no point in arguing with idiots

@BizSuitStacy Do you live in a border state? I have for 40 years, and nothing has changed much here, for better or worse.

@trollslayer I've lived in two border states, and for more years than you. It has nothing to do with the point above. You sound like the bozos who claim the jab is safe because they haven't experienced side effects. Russian Roulette is safe too as long as the bullet isn't chambered when you pull the trigger.

@trollslayer
If nothing has changed in your area of the state then you must not own property along the border.

@BohemianBabe what country are you from🙂

@Virgo79 America. 🇺🇸

@spjennifer
spjennifer · 56-60, T

When republicans try to help immigrants the democrats accuse them of showboating. When democrats hurt immigrants they accuse republicans of being racist.

@marke Democrat or Republican matters little to the poor immigrants just trying to survive and have a better life than they had in their own Country. Regardless of political affiliation, what DoucheSantis did by lying to these people is reprehensible and indefensible too and I would say the exact same thing if he were a Democrat and had done this.

@spjennifer
Democrats hate DeSantis because he is more popular than democrats. They falsely accuse him of mistreating migrants encouraged to enter the US under false pretenses in order to get free welfare money to live on. If anyone is lying to the immigrants it is the democrats who encourage them to enter the US illegally and find some border state sidewalk to set up their homeless tent on.

@bijouxbroussard Yeah. they whine about migrants getting "free stuff" from the USA, and now they are getting a free trip to Martha's Vineyard!

@Docdon23 correct ✅, the funds came straight from the Covid Relief funds, this is a whole new legal issue.

@Docdon23
autumn25 · 26-30, F

Florida and Massachusetts are just two more American states attempting to deal with an unmanageable immigration crisis.

@Northwest manchin was offered a golden parachute and he caved .

@Northwest
Northwest · M

Here's an idea. Round up anyone who complains about American freedom, values, traditions, and prosperity and send the malcontents to Cuba.

@marke
Ah, irony. I wish there's enough time to teach you what it means.

To express one's opinion, even in protest, IS what freedom means. You also missed the point about Cuba, but why am I not surprised.

@TexChik the preferred term is “relocate “ ,
Obama was a master at “relocating “ immigrants to Republican held congressional districts .

@SW-User It's not DeathSantis' money. He loved fucking over the residents of Florida. Look what his photo op decision on Disney is costing his taxpayers.

@SW-User
autumn25 · 26-30, F

Imagine wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on homeless immigrants who are just coming to the US to find their needs fully met by the American welfare system.

@BohemianBabe We're not talking about anything. I am not taking you seriously and if there are any questions about that, let me know.

@SumKindaMunster Smart move. There's really no way you can defend the embarrassing claims you made here.

@bijouxbroussard I wasnt bought up in that culture any more than most Americans were bought up in the First nations culture..And I have no idea who first walked the land I now own..

@whowasthatmaskedman Most of us do know the Native Americans were here before the first European settlers arrived. Even if we accept that they crossed the Bering Strait to get here, that crossing would’ve occurred 20,000-14,000 years ago. On any other continent, people whose ancestors arrived that long ago are considered indigenous.

@bijouxbroussard Likewise I am aware of our First nations, who may fo back as much as 80,000 years by some datings. But thats not the same as knowing the culture. Its terminology.. But a very important difference. The migrant culture I and many of my countrymen were raised in is evolving even now.😷

@Tres13 Yeah, so smart he's trying to undo his part in it this morning. This has had horrible repercussions in the only little patch of land he thinks he rules.

U have all the answers Your smarts is wasted on SW@Graylight

@Tres13 You express your opinion, I express my opinion. Do you not know how this site works, because I'm sure someone on staff would help you out.

Now, that you're intimidated by actual evidence and knowledge is something only you can address. Best of luck with that.

@marke What immigration crisis? He went to another State to get the people and they were not illegal immigrants. They were migrants waiting for their statis in the US Immigration System.

@Pitchblue
The problem with democrats is they are either too stupid or too dishonest to see or admit they see what the immigration crisis is and the damage it is doing to the United States of America.

@Theyitis Florida, like many “red” states, has a large number of “liberal voters “.

@trollslayer That's BS. They are so racist.

@trollslayer Well, groomer, I’m happy to educate you.

@trollslayer lying sack of shit!