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Woke North Dakota School Board Dumps Pledge of Allegiance, Claims It Isn’t ‘Inclusive’

Board member Seth Holden said that because “the word ‘God’ in the text of the Pledge of Allegiance is capitalized … the text is clearly referring to the Judeo-Christian god and therefore, it does not include any other faith such as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, all of which are practiced by our staff and students.”

Holden also said it excluded those in Fargo schools who don’t believe in god. He claimed he is not against the Pledge itself, but that it can’t be said in a school committed to diversity, equity and inclusion, Inforum reported.

Member Robin Nelson, who voted to keep the Pledge, didn’t see anything wrong with reciting it.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
if the pledge offends them, then they can just stand there and keep their mouths shut while everyone else recites it...🙄
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
Oh noes, better ship the school and the kids off to the gulags to learn some patriotisms. If we don't have it drilled into our heads every single day, we'll all turn into commies.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 Thank you for revealing your true feelings. You think you’re mocking us, but you’re really just outing yourself.
Adrift · 61-69, F
@SatanBurger just a tip,
Its Oh no!
She knows, Your nose.
Just so you know?
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@Adrift Sometimes words are misspelled on purpose.
pdockal · 56-60, M
OMFG he shouldn't get reelected
Heathen, by now, Schools should teach kids it doesn't matter the heritage of God, its what God has provided that brings us together.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@checkoutanytime You're probably the type to thank god instead of doctors for saving your life.
@SatanBurger im not religious, i just understand why things are like they are 🤦
SW-User
Absolutely true. No other so-called civilised country has to take a pledge of allegiance to God. About time. Well done ND!
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SW-User
@MarmeeMarch
You hate Catholics and Jews like that hillbilly general contractor in North Dakota - maybe you attend the same KKK rallies ? But you will never know with your sheets covering your cowardness.


You are clearly a Republican. Your accusations are your confessions ;)
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…” diversion, equity ( not equality?) and inclusion”.
it is pointed out that GOD is Judeo-Christian. So are we to believe if a student is not Christian they are necessarily referring to and acknowledging a Judeo-Christian God?
If not mistaken there is no wording “Judeo-Christian” in the pledge of allegiance. God can be who the student chooses God to be.
I wonder, being as pointed out that there are staff and students who practice Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, if under the guises of diversity, inclusion, and equity (not equality?) are required to be taught and accepting of curriculum that may not be accepted by their faith and religious practices?
Does this school system include LGBTQ related studies?
I would find it hard to accept that ALL students as like staff so identified, would necessarily be accepting of such tenets which might in fact not be accepted in their religion.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@soar2newhighs Sieg Heil, Comrade.

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ron122 · 41-45, M
Woke people are a bunch of wimps. Any little thing hurts their feelings.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Lila15 Wow. What a slam dunk rebuttal
ron122 · 41-45, M
@Lila15 Yep, you are woke. You're getting pissed over someone's comments because they don't agree with you. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@ron122 I guess you didn’t pick up on the sarcasm. I was mocking the conservatives who lost their minds over a toy company revamping one of their products.
Budwick · 70-79, M
it can’t be said in a school committed to diversity, equity and inclusion

THAT might be the problem - right there.
How about a school committed to learning!
And, a reminder to the kids and staff that America is a great place to learn doesn't hurt.
CestManan · 46-50, F
I thought they took "god" out of the pledge years ago?
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@checkoutanytime Then you're religious lol, it doesn't matter to me but it's just curious that's all.
@SatanBurger having a bit of knowledge of why the 4th industrial age is pressed against even greater then the first, speaks Volumes to me.
Slade · 56-60, M
@CestManan Jews typically spell it G_D as they consider it more respecful. But yes, the first letter should be capped
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So they do the most exclusive thing possible by banning it. Sure...makes complete sense. 🙄
4meAndyou · F
I saw that on television. That guy is a whacko. So stupid he can barely keep track of his own Bull sh!t.
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@MarmeeMarch So your criterion is the size of the wallet, eh? Amusing
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SW-User
Good job on his part. No need for god anywhere in school unless it has a mythology class.
@SW-User Then if it were a class on Mythology would that/those gods meet the criteria for being “inclusive”?
It wouldn’t take but a student simply saying that he or she did not believe in any god(s) and made it an issue. Mythology was and is a great subject to be taught but will it too, possibly be canceled?
This is a way to look at the impact of such feelings/ ideologies on education.
SW-User
That isn't a wise way to look at it since it isn't even remotely comparable. @soar2newhighs
SW-User
Inclusive or not, woke or not, it literally serves no purpose. It's little more than nationalistic propaganda.

And it was pointless even before conservatives amended it in the 1950s during the red scare (irony for red staters) to suddenly include theism — you can quibble all day over whether it means Zeus or Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but it all boils down to theism — suddenly being introduced into the nationalist propaganda, never mind onto the money, when both functioned just fine without it before then ... conservatives are always looking for opportunities to reshape American life into their own minoritarian fantasy, for everybody, whether they want it or not, whether it serves any actual useful function or not).

Incidentally, while you people soil yourself over whatever contemporary bogeyman you can find, be it "wokeness" or something else, recognizing that the pledge is useless propaganda, that the midcentury introduction of theism into it and the currency is useless propaganda, and that only inserting the pledge relatively recently into sporting events is useless (and fairly unique to the US*) propaganda is not a 21st century phenomenon. Some of us didn't waste time observing the pledge in school even back in the 1980s, and it caused no problems.

Get over your damn propaganda and focus on the real world, real life, and living people instead of intangible nonsense for a change. You people spend so much time, decade after decade, LOOKING for problems, CREATING problems, all in the realm of the intangible world and other people's business, rather than seeing actual, legitimate problems right under your noses in the real world.

* https://www.vox.com/2016/9/3/12774172/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-why
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SW-User Sieg Heil, Comrade.

SW-User
@sunsporter1649 you know that phrase very well, you must be the Hitler-Stalinist (since you can't pick one or the other) in this equation
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@soar2newhighs The American press? Very few criticize Biden.
@HoraceGreenley well, there is Peter Doocey, the bane of Jenn Psaki. It’s reporters like him who Biden’s Handlers don’t want him sparring with because he’ll either become vindictive and fly off the handle or simply say something that his handlers might have to walk back.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
SinlessOnslaught · 26-30, M
In other words, he's a pussy who is afraid of offending people.
ItsSteve · 46-50, M
Just to note, the decision doesnt eliminate the recital of the Pledge of Allegence in Fargo schools, just at school board meetings. And it had only atarted reciting the pledge a few months before, so it isnt a longstabding tradition.
ItsSteve · 46-50, M
@MarmeeMarch im just clarifying, because the original story makes it seem like the decision was to stop saying the pledge in the school district.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ItsSteve So it's ok for taxpayer supported school districts to not pledge allegiance to the country that fills their pockets with cash and ignore the will of the folks paying those taxes, eh?
ItsSteve · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 I mean, yes. In fact, Barnette v WV says that nobody can be obligated to say the pledge of alliegence at all.

Of course, if the voters of Fargo are that upset the school board has decided not to say the pledge at school .board meetings, theyre free to vote them out at tne next school board elections. They"re even free to try to recall them and schedule rlections early, as Fargo has that procedure.

I'll also, of course, remind you that the plantiffs in Barnette were religious people, Jehovah's Witnesses, whose religion forbids them from swearing .alliegence to any worldy government.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
The “under God” part was added in the 1950s. It’s not in the original version.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Lila15 And...
Adrift · 61-69, F
That was old speak.
Two plus two equals 5 remember?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Adrift And rocks are racist, bees are really fish, and boys are really girls
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Everyone seems to forget that the original pledge did not feature god at all. God was not originally on our money.

It's not some crime against the nation or the founders, if anything it is going back to more traditional roots.
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CestManan · 46-50, F
@RogueLoner heh, good point.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@RogueLoner That's assuming all leftists are atheists, that's actually not true there is such a thing as progressive Christianity, though don't know much about them. Lots of people are many different spiritualities.

Just because they want god out of schools, doesn't mean they're atheists, it just means secularism which is religion out of govt. I would for instance, fight hard for the right of religious freedom but you won't get any sympathy from me when you're trying to instill patriotism where people are usually already loyal by birthright anyways. Even more to the fact that you instill patriotism plus religion which Abrahamic religions are already rigid to begin with.

Studies show that forcing people to be "more" patriotic whereas people are already predisposed to group loyalty via evolution to begin with, is dangerous. There was already a predisposition but the over the top patriotism just adds more fuel to a fire.
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@MarmeeMarch Mighty damn cold in Winter! But if not mistaken there is a part of the state that is the mid point of either the country or North America.

 
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