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Student loan debt forgiveness

My son works for a guy who owns a medium sized company (Electrician) and he was saying he took out a hundred thousand dollar loan to buy a few trucks and expand his business, he is still paying the loan off and thinks it would be awesome if his loan was forgiven. He didn't go to college so he has no student debt, but he still has debt... what do you think?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
He probably didn't take out the loan when he was 18 and it has probably paid economic dividends for him and his dependents. That's the difference.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@FreeSpirit1
A loan you can't afford to payback for college or any other reason should not be taken out in the first place

You wouild kill the real estate market, because there's no guarantee that people who take out mortgages will be able to still afford the payments in 10, 20 or 25 years.
@beckyromero and if they can't they can sell the home to pay off what they owe,, and if they can't sell the government is not there to forgive the loan. The Federal Government should not be involved in college loans in the first place.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@FreeSpirit1 That didn't go so well in 2007-8. Markets fail all the tine because corporations and investors are too short-sighted to look beyond the bottom line. Governments have a duty and role to intervene when social stability and individual welfare are threatened by the unrestricted pursuit of private profit.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
I think he borrowed the money and agreed to the terms and should pay his loan back per those terms. I feel the same way about student loans, both parties agreed to the terms of a legal contract, and each should fulfill their end of the bargain. I have sympathy for students that made poor choices but that is how we gain experience. I have a family member who decided late in life that she wanted to get a degree, borrowed tons of money, got a degree and now the debt is due. She chose a degree in a field with a very soft job market, and it will take years to get into a job where the financial gains will be worth it, and, she will be retired before the loans are paid off. Each person needs to think things through and be responsible for their choices.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
He should pay his loan off just as these people who took out student loans should pay theirs off.
Honestly of this whole sorrid chapter all the people raging that they paid there's off and it would be unfair to bail the kids out I'm just sitting here like oh noes imagine things being easier for the generation that came after you. How horrible. /s

basically if you think student loan forgiveness is "insutling" because you had to suffer through paying yours off you are cringe.
@BetweenKittensandRiots how about someone who didn't attend college and
is making minimum wage being asked to chip in to pay off a persons loan who has a PhD , . Cringe?
@FreeSpirit1 Yeah because they make too little to be expected to chip in.

But I mean generally I'd support a sliding scale of tax contributions as it went up.

The truth of the matter about college debt and my feelings about it I wish they just made the creditors forgive it because It's a drag on the economy.
NotJamieM · 46-50, M
It seems strange to hear all the talk about student loan forgiveness, while meanwhile those students graduating now have to take out those same loans if they want to go to college. But I guess for politicians, it's a better talking point to say they're going to give something back for free, rather than trying instead to fix a broken system.
My roommate and I both have student loans. She finished her education around $60 in debt. I ended up dropping out because my loans were getting larger than I was comfortable with. Neither of us think this loan forgiveness is a good idea.

It's not about helping the country, or the next generation, or however they are trying to spin it. If it were, they would be addressing the actual problems of skyrocketing education costs, predatory lending, and the racial disparity in the lending system. This was nothing more than a vote grab when biden was running for office and is once again a vote grab with the midterms approaching.

If they're interested in helping people out, setting the interest rate to 0% is a great place to start.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@SooperSarah addressing accessibility and cost of education is definitely going to be far more effective than loan forgiveness.

I'm not against loan forgiveness, but I definitely believe it is putting the cart before the horse. If you solve the high education costs then loan forgiveness becomes a one time corrective action. If you just forgive, the problem is just going to build back up to where it is now and we'll be in the same situation.


Now, the forgiveness that has already been done for public workers definitely needs to be done. They were promised that and then the government did not uphold it's end of the deal. That definitely needs to be squared up. Lot of people do not understand that has only been for qualified public employees though.
My sons have some student debt .. I'd rather see them pay it, like I did mine, than for it to be put on others by forgiveness for this very reason. It is not fair to the rest of the tax paying public.
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
In order for a business owner to get 100k loan the bank needs proof of collateral and a solid business plan. 18 yr olds are preyed upon by legal loan sharks who convince them to sign contracts they don’t understand. It’s fraud…
@Quetzalcoatlus
About 92 percent of all outstanding student debt is owed to the federal government, with private financial institutions lending the remaining 8 percent.

The Federal Government is involved in fraud? Say it ain't so.
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
@FreeSpirit1 Yep! The student loan lobby is in deeeep! Those "federal" loans are all managed by private companies. They jack up those rates the 1st chance they get.
SW-User
I do the same type of work as your son. I think he should pay his debts off and so should people who have student loan debts. I will say this though He’s smart for having not gone to college. Going to college leaves kids in a ton of debt and a job isn’t guaranteed post college.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
I believe the question is not to compare student debt with business debt but to determine what we as a nation should be investing in.

Do we want a highly educated population or not? I think it is a good thing for a nation. As such, I believe public college should be paid for through tax dollars and free for students to use. I would suggest that we also create public trade schools that are also paid for the same way. Such that our society is making an investment in our future.

Private colleges are a bit different. I'm not sure how they should be handled but that is a discussion to have.


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But, if you want to discuss education loans vs business loans, let us do that. If the electrician company goes out of business they have assets to sell and can declare bankruptcy. The owner might walk away with nothing, but he walks away.

The student has no assets to sell off, no collateral against their debt. Worse, in most cases the debt is not discharged through bankruptcy. The student can never walk away. It is there forever unless it is paid off.

And with rising education costs, these loans stay with people for decades. Restricting their purchase power and hindering their forward momentum in life. All because they did what the grown ups told them they were supposed to do.

These education debts have economically crippled a couple generations now and it's only going to get worse.

I think the most pathetic thing is that the right wing wants college debt to be crippling. They don't want kids going to college because being educated is usually not a good thing for the policies the right wants to promote. So they find all manner of other excuses and poor comparisons to try to justify killing public education.
I think he should pay his loan back, if this was a student loan then I have sympathy and this loan should be forgiven due to high tuition rates across the states
Jamesy · 41-45, M
If its a buisness loan it couldn't happen Mrs as all buisness loans would have to be forgiven
Carla · 61-69, F
If his business fails, he can claim bankruptcy.
Student loans are protected from bankruptcy.
Well, the government pays farmers to not grow stuff, so why not pay electricians?
Lmao... how is he more worthy of debt forgiveness than someone who goes to school and studies for a law degree, only to be stuck cleaning offices for a living because there's no work in their field???

Is this guy still able to take his vans and put them to work for him??? This is more than some newly qualified students are able to do...
@HootyTheNightOwl he's not more worthy, that's the point. He took out a loan and has to pay it back.
Going into debt hoping your degree is going to get you a job earning enough to live and pay the loan off is not a smart decision. A college degree is not a magic path to wealth.
@FreeSpirit1 The problem there is that the higher education system is set up so that only the weathy can achieve an education.

Assuming that only all those who can afford an education without going into debt actually take up that opportunity... you're still going to be left with huge shortfalls in the qualified professions to meet demand.

That's going to have a knock on effect with the services that are offered to the public when you have fewer doctors, surgeons, consultants and lawyers to name a few off the top of my head.

There are two ways you can deal with that... you can change immigration laws to make your country look more attractive to students from countries that offer more attractive ways to educate for certain professions - and get your citizens complaining about high numbers of immigration, or you can lower your standards and resort to using witch doctors and cowboys, which is going to lower life expectancy and increase accidents because you have no way of knowing if these guys were educated to the same level - if at all.

If we look at our electrician friend, as used in the example... he still has vehicles that he can use to do other work with in the event that his career dries up. A lot of school leavers entering work for the first time find themselves in a position where they can't get a job without experience - and they can't get experience without a job. This is why we need more work based training that everybody can access - and that pays enough to live on so that you can train for a new job and still earn enough to be able to support yourself.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
Don't give the lefties any more ideas!
WindTherapy · 56-60, M
I've bought a house, several cars, and other things using a loan. Yes it would be awesome if someone else paid them for me and I wasn't responsible. But if someone else pays for them, what's my incentive to take care of them?
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Jonjdw · 51-55, M
Would it be nice if all loans could be forgiven

It’s nice that they want to cancel student loans. What about people who have paid off their student loans.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Jonjdw sure would be nice if we could cure all cancer without invasive treatments. But what about people who have already gone into remission?

There are many ways to reasonably disagree with student loan forgiveness as a policy position. Fairness to people who have already gone through the system is a bad argument.

The best time to fix a problem is before it began. The next best time is now.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@FreeSpirit1 you should change your user name to MeanSpirit, much more appropriate.
@GeniUs Thanks for contributing nothing to this thread.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@FreeSpirit1 au contraire, I have pointed out how poor an attitude is needed to pick on people who have so little money that they have to become indebted to the country they are willing to work for for an education. This was achieved by identifying your mean spirited attitude to this aspect of other people's lives. I hope this helps your understanding of the situation.
justanothername · 51-55, M
Student load forgiveness is for students not businesses that are earning money.
DDonde · 31-35, M
No, that is a business loan.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
It’s shocking so many people support student loan forgiveness.

 
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