So many people are pro-choice when it comes to COVID vaccines but are those people also pro-choice when it comes to a woman's right to abort?

@Carissimi The moment they contract COVID in large numbers and end up filling hospitals. I.e. the situation we have right now, if you hadn't noticed, with a ratio of vaxxed/unvaxxed occupying hospital beds of 1:25

@dale74 Genius, COVID has *known* long term complications, including raising the risk of acute heart, kidney, lung damage (potentially requiring transplantation or otherwise fatal), clotting, neurological issues, within one year from "recovery".

Your point is "I'll take a 1:10 risk and *certain* likelihood of long term effects from the disease, over a 1:1,000,000 one and the possibility of long term effects that after literally billion injections no one has seen so far".

The biggest problem with novaxxers is that at the time their math teacher evidently failed them.

* https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

@Panda5689 Glad we have a govt with the balls to have made it mandatory (at least for the over-50 for now) over here.

Even now with Omicron, even in spite of how many breakthrough infections we're registering, the unvaxxed in the hospitals are still 25x as many as the fully vaxxed (and they account for <20% the total pop, for saying). If virtually everyone was vaccinated this wave would be no different than a wave of seasonal cold, but unfortunately, this sub-20% demographic is (still) holding back the whole nation from moving on and leaving massive hospitalisation waves, consequential restrictions and economic backslash behind.

@pdockal

It does insofar as bodily autonomy and the violation thereof.

@Pikachu abortion isn't about your bodies rights as it's about convience and getting rid of a life

@pdockal

No it's definitely about a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
It may be about more than that but it's definitely about bodily autonomy too.

@BlueVeins

True. Freedom is an important value but so is community.

@Pikachu I'd frame it moreso as protecting everyone else's freedom than a 'community' thing, you know? Like if the virus keeps raging and we have to keep lockin' down and wearing masks because of these anti-vax imbeciles, we've kinda lost our freedom, right?

@BlueVeins Yeah that's a reasonable view of it.

@ZashaKitty
He's using credible news sources which reference studies. Are you being serious here?

From your attitude; no science, data, or anything can be credible. We might as well give up having opinions on things. Maybe they should stop doing clinical trials on the new drugs because it's just "data" to match beliefs/

The confirmation bias here is your own. You are refusing to admit having been proven wrong! You can have any opinion you like (think the moon is made of cheese) but it's not based on anything.

@Elessar Where are the hospitals being over run???

@Burnley123 Covid 19 vaccines are still in clinical trials! All of them. You must be working out of tel aviv...another shekel monster spreading bullshit on another bullshit social site...what a surprise.

@Glassysky COVID is just as recent, and we already know the side effects.

@Elessar I'm yet to see someone get blood clots from aspirin...

@Innsegall You have a 1:100 to 1:1000 people experiencing thrombocytopenia from aspirin

In comparison, the severe clotting from AstraZeneca is around 1:100000

@pdockal Yet it's still the law, and you get rightly fined if caught.

Your individual case matters nothing; what matters it he effect at large: the great majority of vaccinated people won't saturate healthcare systems nor die, thus having a close to 100% vaccinated population will de facto end the pandemic.

@pdockal
You can, but it's

A LOT LESS LIKELY!

Blowhard

@Burnley123

@SW-User

That's fair enough. I understand the feeling.

@spjennifer

Yes i'm not against having restrictions in the interest of public health for people who make that choice for themselves.

@Midnightoker1 Yeah, also so everybody doesn't die.

@Graylight
Well there you go.

Laws protect your privacy of healthcare. There are laws against the government or anyones knowing what you do to your own body. So we can't make people do anything to their own body, nor demand you to disclose what you have done, ever. If we start going down that road then we have to change the laws.

However that does not mean that a business or a school can't have their own rules. And it doesn't mean that they can't ask if you are vaccinated. I have a right to refuse to answer. I can go to another school or another business, or give some proof that I am safe by testing positive or stay home if I am sick, or wear a mask if I am well, or I can disclose my medical condition if I had one. I understand young people who don't want the Covid vaccine, but I think it is irresponsible to not vaccinate kids with the measles vaccine or polio because it just spreads diseases that are permanent often with devastating consequences.

And to not wear a mask during a pandemic is just rude, whether we are vaccinated or not. I wear a N95 and I got my booster. I feel much better. I haven't gotten sick more than a day with sniffles, probably allergies.

@Midnightoker1 👍

@Pikachu I have no problem with people aboarding themselves to me that's free choice

@dale74

And i have no problem with women getting to decide what happens to their own bodies.
Takes all sorts✌️

@Pikachu this also does not include people who actually died of cancer car wrecks heart disease high blood pressure diabetes because if they had covid it was attributed 100% to covid not that covid was a symptom or a contributing factor to their death. Because I took it like this they said oh well if you got covid you died from covid well that's like saying if I had cancer and my head gets cut off in a car accident well I still died of cancer.

@Pikachu just the woman though? what about the autonomy of the other body?

@GerOttman

Even if we grant a fetus the status of person (and for reasons i'm not interested in getting into i don't that is justifiable) no person has a right to make use of another person's body against their will.
If you need my kidney to survive, too bad. You don't have a right to it.
If the fetus needs the woman's uterus to survive, too bad. It doesn't have a right to it.

@Pikachu in that case, for reasons I won't bother explaining to you, you are an evil and immoral individual.

@Carissimi

And terminating an unwanted pregnancy is one way to take responsibility.
But whether you agree with that or not is beside the point because the question is not about responsibility but about whether the government should be allowed to legally dictate what a person must do with their own body.
I say no.

I agree with you up to a point. When the government says you can terminate a pregnancy up to the moment of birth, that’s nothing less than murder in my book. @Pikachu

@Carissimi

Yeah i think that's a little much. I'm definitely in favour of a cut off point. Which does exist already in most places.