So many people are pro-choice when it comes to COVID vaccines but are those people also pro-choice when it comes to a woman's right to abort?

@ZashaKitty Its not silly. I. Am less likely to get covid because I have been vaccinated. I am more likely to get it when others haven't.

We know the vaccine is not perfect but that it affords sone protection, to ourselves and others.

@Burnley123 It is silly. Like I said, if you believe it offers you protection you should not care if others don't.
I don't think you are less likely to get it because you have been vaccinated at all. Look at all the recent cases of those vaccinated testing positive lately. Sure the unvaccinated are the scape goats to try and explain that and push blame to them instead of a faulty vaccine but how many boosters will it take for you to start questioning maybe it isn't really helping?

@ZashaKitty I couldn't care less about getting infected from you, I care about not being put under heavy restrictions because hospitals are overrun with unvaxxed COVID pneumonias. I don't get why antivaxxers fail to understand this point (deliberately?).

@Elessar ahh the whole antivax people will overrun hospitals argument.
I am vaccinated just to clear that up and I am not antivax like people try to accuse others of being who question this vaccine to do what people are told it does.
How bout when hospitals are flooded by unvaccinated people, you get back to me and try making that argument because it hasn't happened yet, see from what i hear lately its the vaccinated who seem to be getting more infected now.

@ZashaKitty [quote]ahh the whole antivax people will overrun hospitals argument. [/quote]
Yes?
[quote]I am vaccinated just to clear that up[/quote]
I don't see how that's relevant. There are plenty of antivaxxers preachers who do the opposite of what they preach. Especially those who lead the herd.

[quote]How bout when hospitals are flooded by unvaccinated people[/quote]
Oh, they already are.
- [u]https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/02/metro/hospitals-stagger-under-strain-covid-19-cases-reach-highest-level-since-winter/[/u]
- [u]https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/nc-hospitals-covid-19-ventilators/20065686/[/u]
- [u]https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2022/01/08/nj-covid-cases-omicron-latest-update-hospitlization-ventilators/9136991002/[/u]
- [u]https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-hospital-strain-health-care-workers/621193/[/u]

[quote]the vaccinated who seem to be getting more infected now[/quote]
Not really, refer to the data above, and possibly present evidence for your BS claim.

@Elessar you know the thing about finding "data" on the internet, You can always find something to match your own beliefs. Don't believe everything you read.
Clearing up the fact that i am vaccinated was to show I am not anti vaccination. I am against this certain type of vaccine though due to what i went through after the second one was injected in me.
Believe me though, If i was against it from the start, that poison would never have went inside me.

Also to try and deny that a lot of vaccinated have not been getting infected lately just shows how blind you really are to what is happening. Unvaccinated are of course getting infected also but the vaccine certainly hasnt stopped those who have had it to be infected or spread it.

I really try not to have this conversation over and over again but seems you cant say your opinion with this without someone trying to disprove it and claim it is "B.S"..
So I will end this with you now and just say, have fun being told what to believe and just going with it despite all the ever growing evidence that it isn't doing what you all think.
I expect in time maybe after they run out of excuses and inject people so full of that poison that maybe you all might start questioning it

@ZashaKitty At least I've cited something, if it's as easy as you say, you would've done the same. That's the favourite "argument" of those who really can't back their claims with anything concrete and objective. My data, for the record, come firsthand from the hospitals themselves - I've chosen my country's, but you can pretty much find equivalent data confirming my version from pretty much every other country that has gone through a wave ever since vaccination was received by a statistically significant percentage of the population.

[quote]Also to try and deny that a lot of vaccinated have not been getting infected lately [/quote]
And here's the strawman. Either you completely lack the basic understanding of what we're speaking about, first and foremost ignoring the mere distinction between "hospitalization" and "cases", or you're just trying to climb on mirrors because evidently you have absolutely nothing on which your claims can stand up on.

[quote]Clearing up the fact that i am vaccinated was to show I am not anti vaccination[/quote]
Again, correlation doesn't imply causation. Kennedy jr. himself is most likely triple vaxxed too, or he wouldn't be allowed by his own wife in his own home, as per his own declaration.
[quote]I am against this certain type of vaccine though due to what i went through after the second one was injected in me.[/quote]
I've got hospitalized myself after taking penicillin, should we abolish antibiotics altogether? Better a double-digit unitary percentage of risk of dying from sepsis than the 0.00001% of having an anaphylactic reaction? Because your point about covid vaccinations is virtually identical (except, in the case of covid vaccinations you should paradoxically add another zero or two).

[quote]
I really try not to have this conversation over and over again but seems you cant say your opinion with this without someone trying to disprove it and claim it is "B.S"..[/quote]
Claims that aren't backed by evidence are objectively B.S. in this field, sorry if it hurts your feelings, but it is what it is.

Decision-making in secular first-world countries at least revolve around empirical observable evidence, not subjective opinions and faith. Vaccination is a medical matter, not a religious one, therefore it is governed by the very same principles and fundamentals that are at the basis of medicine and every other science. There isn't at the moment any evidence whatsoever that suggest vaccinated individuals are anywhere close to the risk of hospitalization of non-vaccinated individuals. If you have reason to think otherwise, get your reasons published and feel free to link them here anytime. You won't because there isn't any, so you'll continue with strawmans, ad-hominem and deflection.

[quote]So I will end this with you now and just say, have fun being told what to believe and just going with it despite all the ever growing evidence that it isn't doing what you all think.[/quote]
It is doing *exactly* what it was designed for - the endpoint is preventing hospitalizations and deaths, which are the two measures that make this situation a "pandemic", not to protect the asses of antivaxxers who decided to rely on others to "protect" themselves. If it also protects from infection it's a bonus, nothing more. Do you think we'd have declared it "pandemic" if it could've been ignored without any impact on healthcare resources utilization (as any and every country attempted, failing, multiple times)? The hospitalization and death rate is all what matters, not the mere infection rate.

For the record, the only "poison" here is the stuff you probably read on conspiracy blogs and reiterate on here. Poison for the mind.

@Elessar yes you cited something but you came to me, I didn't come to you to hear your take on my thoughts. I am not going to even read what else you just wrote because again i am done talking to you on this. I dont care that you dont agree with what i wrote. We are not going to change each others minds on this and i am just not wasting my time discussing it more. There are plenty of people here who like bickering back and forth, go to one of them instead

@ZashaKitty This is an open forum. If you come up with - to use a nice term - hollow statements such as:
[quote] If they are vaccinated and actually believe it works, they shouldn't need others to get it to be protected. [/quote]
Maybe don't expect people not to step in and correct you.

TL;DR: We're in a pandemic because people got hospitalized at an insane rate, not because they developed a cold. Unvaccinated people continue to get hospitalized at a ~25x higher rate than the vaccinated, prolonging the pandemic unnecessarily - causing healthcare systems disruption, unwanted restrictions, economic backslash that all affect the population as a whole, not only the unvaccinated one. Therefore, in conclusion, your initial argument I quoted above is just moot. I've nothing else to add. Have a nice day. 👋

@Elessar it is a open forum and you are free to comment all you like and i dont have to engage with that at all if I dont wish.

for the record, you did not correct me. You just found "data" that matches your opinion and passed that off as factual. You can find any so called "data" online that will do that with personal beliefs. It really isnt hard.. Some just dont believe every little fairy tale they are told though..

Hope you writing out all that pointless stuff to my comment was worth it.
bye now

@ZashaKitty I've already addressed all the points you're trying to make in the previous replies (which are conveniently deflected lol), I won't repeat myself.

Bye.

@ZashaKitty [quote]you know the thing about finding "data" on the internet, You can always find something to match your own beliefs.[/quote]

He's using credible news sources which reference studies. Are you being serious here?

From your attitude; no science, data, or anything can be credible. We might as well give up having opinions on things. Maybe they should stop doing clinical trials on the new drugs because it's just "data" to match beliefs/

The confirmation bias here is your own. You are refusing to admit having been proven wrong! You can have any opinion you like (think the moon is made of cheese) but it's not based on anything.

@Elessar Where are the hospitals being over run???

@Burnley123 Covid 19 vaccines are still in clinical trials! All of them. You must be working out of tel aviv...another shekel monster spreading bullshit on another bullshit social site...what a surprise.