@puck61 of course it was planned!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29B24S

@EuphoricTurtle
Lol well just wanted to mention that is not that far off. Look at what they've done to their own citizens like muslim prison camps or the one child policy... I wonder what they did if a family had four children or something, kill them?

@SatanBurger Not far off? So if I were to refer to Japanese internment camps and current "caged migrants" it would be a good equivalence in terms of saying the US is the main propagator of Covid infections? Seems like a weird equivalence.

As for the one child policy, all it takes is one short google search to learn about it and how it was centred in financial incentives, mandatory contraception and sterilization. 😒

@SomeMichGuy

Well I've got to go, it's been fun. Got to get my beauty rest. See you next Tuesday.

@PatKirby lol yeah, no

Go troll someone else.

@Kwek00 Ahhh it's so nice. We are just two entirely different people learning about ourselves. We have similar worlds but entirely different thoughts! What do you think keeps your heart beating and your body moving? Are you actually trying to tell me there is no life force? You really can't be that dense!

@Frank52 Our country was founded on Christian and Judaic principles .

@puck61 I understand that. Mine is nominally the same. I think one thing we might agree on is that all human government is flawed - it was in Biblical times. When asked about the most important Law, Jesus said nothing about 'left' or 'right', dictatorship or democracy, capitalism or socialism. I am seeking to understand (and thanks for sticking with it) how the USA or my own 'liberal democracy' handles the practicalities of flawed human government. I believe in a 'prophetic voice' from the Church but if we undermine the institutions that keep order without having a viable alternative, we open the door to anarchy. And we know who would like that.

(I didn't expect this conversation to take this turn, but am happy to continue on this thread, start a new one, or message privately.)

@Frank52 We can continue so Oster can get the points. I am just disgusted with the attacks on conservatives and the first amendment by the left. I am also disgusted by abortion, identity politics, and ridiculously far left legislation, like school children of all ages being able to identify as the opposite gender and take showers with each other. It's absolutely wrong. There are two genders, and until they are eighteen they should be kept separate in the shower room and in some sports. I am disgusted by loose immigration laws. I am disgusted by the political sex this administration is having with China. I am disgusted by the overwhelming double standard and hypocrisy of the left. I am disgusted by the way, domestic terrorism has absolutely no legal consequences for leftists. In general I am disgusted by this new mutated version of progressivism and liberalism. It is nightmarish from my perspective and it's destroying this country. Look at the unbelievable increase of homelessness in blue cities. Look at the horrible jump in the crime rate, and the epidemic of drug abuse. This is the result of leftists and their sick and disgusting agenda. They even want to normalize pedophilia. Under this administration, it won't be long before kiddyfiddlers can go out and buy a kid like an addict would buy a dime bag, My complaint could go on another 5 thousand words but I will stop here. Suffice to say , I am angry and disgusted with these new leftists.

@SomeMichGuy the only thing the background shows is trump likes black people ! you just need to be more open minded and look at what he has done recently instead of back in the 70s when it was whole different world

@SweetNSassy Without a ref to check, it's suspicious. I doubt HE gave HBCUs that money. If this was in the US Budget, it means all of us who paid our taxes did it (which actually isn't him)...

I bet that's the meaning.

Supporters of whatever like to push it. I will openly admit I was not a big fan of Biden for stuff he did years ago. And if Mrs. Clinton had won and done the things Trump did, I'd want her to be convicted in her impeachment trial.

@SomeMichGuy @SweetNSassy The Dept. of Education has had a program to aid HBCUs for years. Trump by no means started it. However, he did not obstruct or stop it either. I'll give him credit for signing a bill that continued and made permanent some STEM Program payments to HBCUs that had already been in existence.

@Oster1 ...so because YOU refuse to acknowledge provable facts, EVERYONE has to just accept that we don't know ALL things, so Trump MIGHT have won?

lmao

@SomeMichGuy It's the arrogance of a new age. Everyone knows better than vetted experts in a field.

@Graylight Yes. People who have never heard of--and, frankly, can't *spell*--hubris are full of it.

And #2.

@swirlie you say impeached twice, found innocent on both counts, so hasn’t been impeached at all, you can go on trial for murder, but if you’re found innocent, you are not guilty of murder

@ididntknow He lost the election though. And that is the end of that. ☺️✨

@Zonuss I'm worried about this election. We all need to be worried.

You had the chance but failed. It’s all on you now!@spjennifer

@Oster1 Sorry but I'd find it hard becoming friends with a toaster!

@spjennifer No need to worry.

@nowic2 Regardless of your politics, you've nailed it here. It is proven time and time again throughout history that this kind of division will destroy a nation, and even an empire. The USA is imitating ancient Rome as if they are reading a script. We have people sneaking in. We have subsidy out the ass for the people sneaking in. We have "bread and circuses" and far too many people have nothing to do. We have our military spread all over the globe, and we have violent intrigue within the halls of legislation. I predict this year there will be fist fights involving state representatives.
If we don't find a solution, we are doomed as a nation.
As far as the citizens are concerned, half of the country wants to rip the throats out of the other half with their teeth. Most of the church going folk say, "Pray and remember God is on His throne". but some of the fundamentalists are talking about a fight, or trying to convince military and law enforcement to join them. Funny thing is, down here in my neck of the deep south, we're all laughing about it. Black folks and white folks together sitting in lawn chairs saying cracking jokes about how crazy the world is. Deep down we all know we are whistling by the graveyard.

@nowic2 sadly prophetic

@RedBaron What kind of an accountant stays on here all day long?

A poor one!

@Oster1 Or a busy one taking occasional breaks and popping on for a couple of minutes.

@Oster1 Then--by your own standard--you must be a poor businessman. Hmmmm...

@SW-User so when is enough is enough, why can’t they come in through legal means, like a lot already do ie not illegally,

@Oster1

Why would you like to have Trump openly display his abuse of power...?

@ididntknow
? Huh?

I don't think releasing it is the problem. The question would be whether or not it is legal to have recorded it, which varies by jurisdiction.

If both knew & consented, legal everywhere.

If one knew and the other did not, it becomes

• a PROBLEM, if the law in NEITHER jurisdiction allowed it;

• a QUESTION, if the law of the two jurisdictions CONFLICTS on this question.

(If it is the case that the GA SoS recorded it without Trump's knowledge, but this was legal in GA, it would be a "conflict of laws" case if it is illegal to do so in whatever controlling jurisdiction Trump was located.)

@Oster1 ? scientific platitude?

What do you mean?

You obviously think a little bit of info makes you an expert on science & engineering & perhaps medicine, but you never get it right and again only offer *opinions*, not facts.

Another SW'r patiently explained masks. You had no clue and ignored a detailed explanation, so that shows you don't have the background necessary to understand her explanation.

This implies that your ability to discern knowledge in others is lacking, too...again, A. Pope applies.

I am sorry, but your background is lacking, so you should trust actual scientists. If you are quoting statistics, please just say where it comes from.

At the end of the day, you and your posse have only offered opinions, no facts you have backed up.

The user who explained masks talked about two relevant things--van der Waals forces & Brownian motion--which you clearly don't recognize. That's fine, but just admit it. These are real, known effects; in fact, Einstein explained Brownian motion in 1905, the same year he came up with the Special Theory of Relativity (and derived the E = γmc^2 relation in a separate paper), and the photoelectric effect (for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize). That's all true.

@PatKirby Well first off you have proven you don't actually understand facts or even what a leftist is so....yeah.

@Oster1 Were they "disperiging" (sic) you while you were "standing ideally by"?

Yep, you know? I don’t give a flying F!😊@SomeMichGuy

@Oster1 ...because you think someone will BUY them from you?

@SomeMichGuy Nice “try”.

@questionWeaver Yeah, our type of girl! She’s beautiful! Nothing Light about that young lady!😊

@questionWeaver

@JohnOinger No the people of America lost. Most are to stupid to realize it. Trump had America's BEST interest at heart not the destruction of the country. Biden can not MAGA.

@TexChik initially yes but it will sort it self out over time.

@Stereoguy Exactly Sir!👍

@DeluxedEdition You are so right and more!

Always remember, they never showed evidence!

@DeluxedEdition People who have dogs are often nice ppl. It's my list and well over 5 items without it.

Point being it was quite easy to come up with well over 5 reasons on both sides.

And yeah, most are more substantive than dogs.

@Frank52 yup, lots of heavily right leaning pro trump outlets had to admit that Biden won a legitimate election and that there was no fraud. Unfortunately the conspiratorial rabbit hole is so deep that many people can't extract themselves from it

@deadgerbil This is the hardest thing to fight. How does one deal with the OP's cherished BELIEF & FEELING & "I JUST *KNOW* IT & FEEL IT IN MY BONES"-style clinging to...sheer nonsense?

@plankter979 oh shut up

@ididntknow https://www.vox.com/2021/2/13/22281646/trump-criminal-probe-georgia-lindsey-graham

@plankter979 Nor should he be able to escape justice. His cult approves of him, but they are and always have been a minority.

@swirlie shows it it was bullshit then, doesn’t it

@ididntknow ? The analyses of Trump's financial statememts self-prove their own inaccuracy?

@Harriet03 He's already out of his fucking mind on steroids.

@LegendofPeza That’s not a very nice thing to say. 😊

@Oster1 And your belief that Trump was going to win was 100% wrong.

@Oster1 Well, you certainly do not stand for truth or democracy.

@JaggedLittlePill JLP, you are the best. 😊🤗

@Lefty63 lol

You have yet to say HOW you think Pres. Biden is "selling us out". Is this the newest right wing trope? Does it come from the same ppl who told you that Trump won, that he would be inaugurated for a second term on 20 Jan.?

@SomeMichGuy The new trope is that every election since 1871 has been illegal, and Trump will be inaugurated on March 4.

I think our friend means Biden is selling out the Capitol Seditionists, by having them arrested and charged. Trump would never do that.

@windinhishair Ah! So no legal election since 1871...that's really too bad.

Selling out the Seditionists...they should be happy they are not having their property confiscated, their citizenship revoked, and being banned from ever re-entering the US...or simply executed.

@SomeMichGuy any minute now...

@Kwek00 I think at the same time as all those "high-profile arrests and executions" happen...

@SW-User It will be like a miracle, the churches will be packed!

@Oster1 I am a U.S. citizen and I actually give a damn about the country, lol.

@SubstantialKick My apologies sir! I had you confused!

@Oster1 You laugh but I was sincere!😊

@Oster1 Then where do you get this nonsense? Are you drinking or using other drugs?

@SomeMichGuy Nope

@Oster1 So where do you get this nonsense?

@RedBaron Yes...and he slunk away...

@SomeMichGuy I knew a guy who ran his entire house on a geo thermal envelope system that he built himself. This science and technology was around way before you were. Too bad they dont seem to teach real science in schools anymore.
BTW, I was a kid when this happened and yes it was because the solar failed.
I love how people use the word science as their buzz word, when most people dont even know well enough,how or what a virus is.
Smuh!

@Adrift
Great for your friend! I'd love to see your his design, to see what it involved, how efficient it was, how it might be used & improved. It sounds great.

RE: The timing of the tech he used, I am not sure how you know that, but which tech do you mean?

I have seen water- and air-based systems using heat in the earth, and heat pumps used to be used here in lower Mich. in the 1970s, and were abandoned. But your friend's system sounds intriguing!

Science in K-12 suffers, as do math, etc., from beimg initially taught by very inexpert people. The US educational system is still affected by the 19th century in a bad way; generalists are ok for important courses even though they don't understand what kids should be learning to point them where they should be at the end of that bit of their journey.

I guess you are trying to impugn my background, which you don't know, but I studied engineering & physics at a great school, and have been taught by Nobel Prizewinners. I am not unfamiliar with science.

Yeah, many people don't know about viruses. Sorry about your hand.

@SomeMichGuy funny about my friend but when he showed engineers and architects his plan, they said it couldn't be done. So hes the kind of guy that said I will do it myself and he did. It took over twenty years but he made it happen. I'll bet people would be interested into looking at his designs now that its working.
Since you guys are so clever, I hear Texas is having some problems with their green energy, you think you can fix it?

@ididntknow I didn’t hear about the Scrabble game in the news. It came from my inside source, an arse wiper at Mar a Lago.

@TopOfTheWorld via ?

@ididntknow via telegram. None of this modern technology for us, we like to do it differently from the herd 🐑

@SomeMichGuy I agree with you. I hope so too. Either way, just the truth.😊

@Oster1 Yes. The truth about Trump. That's why he's done.

@Zonuss I have some Valentines business to take care of now. I’ll get back to you.😊

@Oster1 He lost both popular votes, 2016 and 2020.

He lost the electoral vote in 2020.

So he lost 75% of the vote rounds.

And the general election of 2020 he lost by millions more than the millions by which he lost in 2016.

@Oster1 He lost by a larger margin than Clinton lost to him lol

@BlueMetalChick

He lost the popular vote in 2016, too.

But yes, in the electoral college, he did lose the electoral vote by 2 more votes than HRC lost, due to 2 faithless Trump electors in 2016.

Due to the huge turnouts in both elections, Trump has had more votes cast against him than any other Presidential candidate, it seems.

@Marceline You are very sweet and non confrontational! You are my friend and I understand!😊🌷

@LeopoldBloom Yes, but consider the source.

@LeopoldBloom LMAO Best Comment

@jimjim1969 Yes.

@TopOfTheWorld And now it is over. Biden will take office in less than two weeks.

@windinhishair ...and done, and nearly 3 weeks on.

@PatKirby Yes. I answered this over on the other thread.

Go chase opinions as facts all around the universe.

@SomeMichGuy


Ad hominem - you lost. Right on time as expected.

@PatKirby That's not ad hominem--you are presenting opinion as proven fact.