Trump is going to win this!

Nah, Trump won! Anyone with a political sense can see!😊@Thevy29

@Oster1 Trump actually only had 7 million votes, but they all voted 10 times. Biden received 80 million legitimate votes. Looks like the Trumptards couldn't even cheat right.

@Oster1 Hmmm...where is your "political sense" now?

@SomeMichGuy Same as always.😊

@Oster1 I remain steadfast to my original statement.

@Oster1 Well, Trump lost, big time, with more votes than ever cast against him.

I know that it is hard to believe with having Trump, his enablers, and Republicans in the Party structure all supporting the lie because of hoping to _actually_ steal the election...

But no, Trump lost. By a lot.

And Biden got 2 more electoral votes in 2020 (306) than did Trump in 2016 (304), because Trump had two "faithless electors" who voted against him.

@SomeMichGuy You left very kind words on another post, this morning. I will not engage with you for that. If you deem necessary to continue, I will drop the gloves.

@Oster1 I agree with your wonderful other post.

You can "drop the gloves" or block me, or whatever.

The fact is that your opinion of reality is not the same as reality--for ANY of us, me included!--which is why I look to the facts, which are actually well-established in this case, and can easily be checked.

The facts do not support your opinion about Trump winning the election. They do support the other side.

That's all.

@SomeMichGuy I still appreciate your kind words. I only blocked three people in over four years here. Two have left. I never block unless I’m stalked

In my opinion, Trump did win the election. That is my opinion. Why does that bother you? Can’t I have an opinion? Is this an open site to share?

@Oster1 You are completely entitled to your own opinion, even if it is factually wrong. You may still hold the opinion that the earth is flat, but you would be wrong about that too.

@independentone You crossed the line into the twilight zone. Who was talking about the flat earth?

@Oster1 Talking about the right to have your own opinions, regardless of actual facts. You seem to believe what you want with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

@Oster1 Opinions should be based on facts, if they are opinions on which facts are available.

"Who won the 2020 Presidential race?" has LOTS of info available, and none of it supports your opinion.

Yes, you can have an opinion which is uninformed and counter to facts, but you can also think

Sydney Aus. is the capital of the US
no mountain is taller than Mt. Rushmore
the Pacific Ocean is smaller than the Indian Ocean
the Earth is a cube
pachyderms fly
there are no dark Caucasians

all of which are false.

@SomeMichGuy So your facts are more truer than mine? Come on man!

@Oster1 "truer" or "more true", not "more truer"

I don't have "my" facts. The facts I present are verifiable, independently.

You can look up the votes--popular & electoral--for not only the 2016 and 2020 US Presidential election, but votes all sorts of elections, votes on bills, etc., are a matter of historical record.

You have not presented ANY facts that I see to prove that Trump won the election.

Opinions can--and often DO--differ. But that doesn't mean that they are all equivalent.

You know this, because you think ppl whose "opinion" that the earth is flat have an invalid opinion, right?

@SomeMichGuy You have lost me! I tried to be respectful to you! Flat earth, really?

@Oster1 You don't even read to understand what is said.

Yes, your opinion about the election is based upon as much fact as the opinion of flat-earthers.

The fact that you don't understand that ACTUAL facts exist says volumes.

@independentone the facts are there. The courts refused to here them. Deep state control.

@Baremine Why didn't Trumps lawyers present the facts if they had any? Speculation doesn't equal facts in any court of law.

@independentone Oh, but speculation IS equal to facts! War is peace! Strength through joy! Arbeit macht frei!

If Trump says gravity makes us fall up, we believe!

You just wait...ANY day now...Trump will suddenly be declared President [of yet another company which he can run into the ground]!

We should start a rumor that Trump will become President if the country does "the wave" 1,776 times...lol.

@independentone Just wrong.

@Oster1 It is wrong that speculation does NOT equal facts?

Yep, you know? I don’t give a flying F!😊@SomeMichGuy

@Oster1 ...because you think someone will BUY them from you?

@SomeMichGuy Nice “try”.