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Americans Overwhelmingly Oppose Defunding the Police

We've also learned that 'Defunding the Police' means;
'Defunding the Police'. Initially, leftists led by BLM and antifa tried walking back the ridiculous concept saying stuff like 'We want to redirect funds from policing to other community resources like social workers.' Which of course is the same thing as 'Defunding the Police'.

Later it was discovered in the New York Times that 'Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish The Police', according to the author of the leftist policy, Mariame Kaba, a Soros alumnae.

Meanwhile, a list of demands have been written by the rioters. And, leftist leadership are actually considering negotiating with the terrorists holding Seattle hostage.

And, as one might expect, since the terrorists are being tolerated in Seattle, riots are exploding in other parts of the country. I suspect we'll see more capitulation by local democrats, more sections of cities taken over by terrorists, more sudden resignations of police and police chiefs, and more demands made by terrorists.

This no longer about George Whatshisname. It's about dismantling law and order, erasing America.

It's yet another unprecedented challenge for American people, for national leadership to unravel, repair. It becomes crystal clear that no one on the left is capable or even willing to take on the challenge, Thus far, their response is to negotiate surrender which is not an option.

President Trump is the ONLY one with the courage and stamina to take on this problem, to restore law and order and get back to the business of Making America Even Greater.

I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
I actually don't know of anyone in my circle who advocates eliminating the police. The alternative would be people policing their own lives and communities, and that would probably not end well... though some libertarian types would likely embrace the idea. Especially in rural areas where it could actually happen.

I don't think there's anyone in my circle who disagrees with the assessment that the police have, in many instances, become overly authoritarian and militarized. And that's not a statement that looters shouldn't be dealt with. When I came up they were shot on sight. And that violent civil disobedience shouldn't be dealt with as criminal activity. By that I mean I've been unjustly searched and held by police. Not a big deal in some sense in that I'm law abiding. A big deal in that I know somebody is getting over on me, and basically just my time and self respect is being squandered.

Also, it seems re-purposing police for social tasks in the community is probably a reasonable idea. One example. There was a death threat at my place of employment. It was not an active threat. It was anonymous. Students do this. When the officer came out to take a report, and that's all there was to do, take a report, I found out that this is what he does all day. Document employee threats. All day, every day. WTF. Yea. Something of a social worker would be a good idea.

Another example is when I found my late wife dead at home. I'm not sure there really needed to be four officers pouring over my property. I suppose there is the possibility of a homicide. But mostly it was hours and hours of documenting domestic details, medical history, getting an inventory of her massive amount of medications together. Being a liaison with her primary, with the funeral home. Real social work. She was a remarkable woman, a real angel, so it went as well as it could. Real grace. A different person would have made it horrible.

A friend of mine from my faith community was a former police officer. She quit after some 10-15 years in service after killing her second person in a domestic violence call. People in our circle misunderstood her. They thought she quit because of the two kills in duty, both of which were ruled clear and good in all ways. Both DV calls. She quit because she felt the job was making her cynical about humanity. She told me one day how every day you are meeting people in the worst situations, somethings the worst of their lives, and everyone is lying to you. Even the "good guys". Everyone is trying to get over on you.

She felt she was getting really dark. And she felt there was no respite. She said she would have been fine with DV calls and domestic disturbance calls all day every day if there was regular time to back away from it and do something constructive. She called it "social work" and that was like 15 years ago. To be able to be in uniform and be in the community but not on the defense or being reactive to a situation. Working with youth, DV victims, whatever. She said it would have helped her cynicism and jadedness, and if she could have done that every so often, she could have stayed in service indefinitely.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@cherokeepatti I think the student program is fine!

i DO NOT THINK it's a good idea to have police doing it.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@Budwick they have better things to take care. Not enough to spread around as it is. A retired police officer told me they put most of them in the day shift for optics when they need a lot more at night. And then I told him I had to wait for 2 hours on a Sunday afternoon after a woman ran her truck into a van that I was driving. (Someone was shot to death about a mile from that same location about an hour ago)
Budwick · 70-79, M
@cherokeepatti Exactly!
snowbelt · 61-69, M
Your bullshit is hilarious. Tens of thousands of peaceful protesters are not terrorists. Trump has killed far more people with his botched handling of the coronavirus, and he's getting ready to kill his supporters with his upcoming rallies (coronavirus seeding events). Which ones do you plan to go to?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@snowbelt You could start with Chy-nah.

And, Trump did a stellar job.
Like I said, saved 1,900,000 lives!
dommagic · M
snowbelt · 61-69, M
@Budwick Only someone like you could take a complete fuckup by Trump and call it good. You have the same callous disregard for life that he does.

Good Trump boy. Have a cookie and laugh at the dead.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
The CHAZovites ganged up on a street preacher & choked him out yesterday. Someone posted a video on Twitter. So much for non-brutality. If they were a police force they’d be up there with Nazis.
Gee, imagine that. Americans are opposed to turning the entire nation into a much worse case of Southside Chicago. Who would have thunk it?
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
I agree Bud but most Americans agree with reorganising the police!!
Baremine · 70-79, C
@Harriet03 possibly not. I hate being around so much stupidity.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Budwick You're embarrassing yourself again Bud!!
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Baremine 🤞
President Trump was installed by Putin because Putin wanted all this civil trouble in America...the Cold War ain't over my friend...and it looks like the old Ruskies and China are gonna have the last laugh..
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Baremine I know, it is kinda scary.
All the more reason for us to ensure a Trump victory in November.
Baremine · 70-79, C
Budwick · 70-79, M
revenant · F
They want to impose their own views of law and order instead. They are so dysfunctional it is not pretty at all.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@revenant Ahh, that now makws sense.
Thank you.
4meAndyou · F
@revenant I would say they want to impose anarchy instead of law and order.
revenant · F
@4meAndyou true
Driver2 · M
They want a federal police force that they can control .
OggggO · 36-40, M
@Budwick 4 days, for a murder caught on camera, with multiple cops and paramedics witnessing it. And how have police responded? By breaking more laws.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@OggggO Good math! 4 days.

But, let's be honest shall we?
If it had been 4 hours, you would still be pissed.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@Budwick Nice after the fact edit. And gee, why might I have ever been pissed about a cold blooded murder in broad daylight by someone whose job is to uphold the law?
turbineman40 · 80-89, M
I support Trump!!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Whatever article you copied and pasted this from had a George Soros conspiracy. 🤣
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Budwick Provide a link to your source, if you dare.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 [quote][/quote]

Apologies accepted at this window.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Budwick That isnt the article you copied from above. Dont agree with all of it but some good arguments in there, right?

Note that even a radical outlier doesnt suggest not replacing the police with anything.

As of your Soros antifa conapiacies. Its for the birds.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

Goddamn did that guy fuck the brains of you folks 🤣

Oh no, terrorists in Seattle!

Defunding police is stupid, imo - but you're also thoroughly misrepresenting people's various positions on that as well.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Budwick I am not a CNN viewer 🤷‍♂️
Budwick · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul That's what makes you,...
never mind. Over your head.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@Budwick Where did you put those goalposts this time?

You pathetic piece of shit.
Dominus · 31-35, M
I think their first mistake was labeling it "defunding the police" when what they were actually calling for was reducing funding to the police and re-appropriating the monies to create services that would lessen the workload of police.

To have an opinion on that I would have to see the details and it would vary greatly from one jurisdiction to another.

I disagree that it is about dismantling law and order or erasing America. If you read up on where our original police came from and look at how much is spent in some cities on them today their value can be questioned.

A poll from Ispos also found;
82% of Americans want to ban police from using chokeholds, 83% want to ban racial profiling, and 92% want federal police to be required to wear body cameras.

It also found that 89% of Americans want to require police to give the people they stop their name, badge number and reason for the stop, and 91% support allowing independent investigations of police departments that show patterns of misconduct.

Seventy-five percent of Americans want to support “allowing victims of police misconduct to sue police departments for damages.”
Budwick · 70-79, M
@daisymay Today, with more than 28% of all black pregnancies ending in induced abortion, it is a human crisis.

Abortion is the number one killer of black lives in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortion kills more black people than HIV, homicide, diabetes, accident, cancer, and heart disease … combined.

Sounds like a lot of black lives don't matter at all!

You support black genocide.
I do not.
You are a racist.
I am not.
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daisymay · 51-55, T
@Budwick [quote]You support black genocide.[/quote]
[quote]I do not.[/quote]

[quote]You are a racist.[/quote]
[quote]I am not.[/quote]

Tell me Bud, how do you expect to get into heaven lying like you do?
raysam363 · 31-35, F
Extremists want the police gone, citing Camden as an example (although Camden's "police" have re-unionized and it's still one of the most dangerous cities in the nation). More left leaning folks want police money given to social programs, unaware that 90%+ of that money will end up in the "general fund."
Dominus · 31-35, M
@raysam363 I reiterate I was referring to local/city/municipal police departments and not state police departments.
raysam363 · 31-35, F
@Dominus I mentioned both state and city, levels of corruption and fine print exist in both whether you believe it or not.
Dominus · 31-35, M
@raysam363 okay, sure
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
If they want their own "city state", fine. Shut off their utilities (water, power, cell service, etc.); cease all shipments of goods, food, fuel; and halt ALL services (emergency, social services, etc.); and arrest & imprison anyone who leaves their "city state".

See how long they last without any government to leech upon...
OggggO · 36-40, M
We also overwhelmingly support single payer health care, but that has yet to affect policy, so suck it up, bitches.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@OggggO About as likely as defunding police.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@snowbelt [quote]Tens of thousands of peaceful protesters are not terrorists. [/quote]

Barely - Your attention to detail needs some work. I continuously referred to looters and rioters.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@snowbelt [quote]A tiny percentage of the tens of thousands of peaceful protesters.[/quote]

Yup, a handful of people causing all this horseshit, damage and destruction.
snowbelt · 61-69, M
@Budwick So arrest the small number of people causing problems, including the police who brutalize others, and let the others protest peacefully. You have no problem with that, right?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@snowbelt [quote]So arrest the small number of people causing problems, including the police who brutalize others, and let the others protest peacefully. You have no problem with that, right?[/quote]

None at all.

I don't think you can convince Antifa, BLM or local democrats though.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
Good boy ..... here's a biscuit.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@RodionRomanovitch [quote]here's a biscuit.[/quote]

We call 'em cookies here.
Gotta be PC!
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I wonder why they go to the extremes when they could just simply get rid of laws that protect the cops like how the police unions mainly protect the corrupt police in the first place and that would like, cut the problems nearly in half.

I don't trust people who go to extremes, they have other things in mind.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
I think you should change your media diet. 😅
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tenente · 100+, M
'defund' is an empty slogan by a leaderless movement. after weeks of headline grabbing BLM has produced nothing but empty rhetoric. 'defund' is bullshit

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