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How can republicans claim to be the party of Abraham Lincoln and defend their “confederate heritage” at the same time?

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KimWexler · 51-55, F Best Comment
Ideologies of the two-party system took a big shift in the mid-20th century. The library and historical societies are full of books on this topic.

There's a lot in conservatism that is illogical, inconsistent and incongruent.
One can understand it from psychological and sociological perspectives, but not much else.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
It's not the Republican's confederate heritage it's America's Confederate heritage. There were pro-union and pro-confederate partisans in every state. There were pro and anti slavery attitudes on both sides.

It was a family dispute, sometimes between brothers and friends. It was about whether we as citizens owed our primary allegiance to the state we lived in or the federal government. There were honorable people on both sides as well as horrible people on both sides.

This has to be taken in the context of the time, where most lived their entire lives within a few miles of where they were born, and Washington was a world away. Telegraph wasn't invented until the 1840s, trains moved at a snail pace, and most peoples connection to "the law" was their county seat and the state capital

When it was over we started healing. Both sides honored the bravery of those on the other side. Confederate soldiers were give pensions in many states. Confederate soldiers are buried at Arlington Cemetery. After the war, former confederate soldiers became Union soldiers, and some became members of the US congress.

With the exception of those who had mistreated Union POWs, there was no interest in punishing confederate soldiers or leaders. Confederate soldiers simply turned in their weapons and went home, and everyone, like it or not, accepted the federal government's ultimate authority over the states.

Interesting that the contest about state authority Vs federal authority is still with us.
zerofuks2give · 41-45, M
I know this may be hard to believe, but most of these rednecks that love their confederate heritage aren’t racist and hate slavery just like the rest of us. The confederate flag is most often referred to as the rebel flag. This is the ideology that these people cling to. They aren’t concerned about the reasons why the confederacy seceded from the union, it’s the fact that they did, that they gave a big middle finger to the federal government and said fuck you we will do what we want. Rednecks actually have a lot in common with groups like BLM and Antifa but I think the media and common ignorance from all parties keeps them from seeing common ground and joining forces. They value freedom above all else, not just for themselves but for everyone. These rednecks are some of the nicest, most considerate people who would help anyone, no matter the color of their skin. We all need to focus on what we have in common, and quit letting others drive us apart.
zerofuks2give · 41-45, M
@Fukfacewillie thanks. You too
NenaRussa · 26-30, F
Your exact words.

They aren’t concerned about the reasons why the confederacy seceded from the union, it’s the fact that they did, that they gave a big middle finger to the federal government and said fuck you we will do what we want.

but I think the media and common ignorance from all parties keeps them from seeing common ground and joining forces.

100% not what you said?
chrisCA · M
@zerofuks2give Originally the swastika was not an evil symbol, until it was adopted by the Nazis. Unfortunately for the Confederate flag, it has been adopted by many white supremacist groups as a symbol of White Power.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Most will deny the mid-20th party flip even occurred, yet miss this bit of delicious irony.
NenaRussa · 26-30, F
Can’t fight on both sides of the war! @QuixoticSoul
Hahaha. That is a good point.
BlueVeins · 22-25
I actually laughed out loud when I read this, don't know how I've never put these two things together. 😂
By being hypocrites who don’t actually know their history. “Southern Strategy”, as well as a Democratic president signing the Civil Rights and Voters’ Rights Acts into law brought a few hardline “Dixie-crat” segregationists over to the side of the GOP, and the Republican Party took a hard right turn. They’ve been the party favored by the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups ever since.
SW-User
Republicans also used to be the party of big government and social reform and even spawned the "Progressive Party". Things change. Claiming to be the "party of Lincoln" is nothing more than an argument from authority fallacy.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SW-User Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican?
SW-User
@sunsporter1649 Yes. Though he later founded the Progressive "Bull Moose" Party and ran for president under this party in 1912.
It doesn't have to make sense the people who vote R are illiterate or rich. The illiterates are disenfranchised and want the government to be destroyed. The R party always give to the rich at the expense of the middle class. In their minds Trump is doing an excellent job.
Budwick · 70-79, M
Lincoln and the Confederacy both are part of American history.

What's the problem?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
How can democrats claim to be the party of black lives matter when the democrat party was the party of the Confederacy?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Heartlander Lmao laughable.
@sunsporter1649 Why do you have to go back 100 years to support your position? When we can go back to yesterday to support the fact that in 2020 the Republicans are the racist party and Trump makes his racist base aware of that every time he can.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Pitchblue LOL, look at all the Republicans taking over cities and burning them down
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Ask quid pro joe, he voted to give citizenship back to Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee
TexChik · F
We are defending our right to see and teach our children the actual history of our country . Not the altered version Democrats want to tell. Democrats , pandering for the black vote , don’t want the black population to know democrats were responsible for slavery and for segregation as well as the Jim Crow laws . Rather they believe the black Population is stupid and won’t notice while they tear down “ evidence “ that will remind Americans of the Democrat role in promoting racism , throughout American history .
TexChik · F
@NenaRussa the only thing I left out is your agenda .
NenaRussa · 26-30, F

So much for teaching “actual history” @TexChik
NenaRussa · 26-30, F
All you have to do is tell me which party you think these people support
@TexChik
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
They can’t, they just do!
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Fukfacewillie The Confederacy was Republican! Well I'll be darned
MasterLee · 56-60, M
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@MasterLee And to think miss nancys brother dedicated the statue of Stonewall Jackson in Baltimore. I recon miss nancy is going to denounce her brother as racist now, eh?
Heartlander · 80-89, M
As I recall, one of Abe Lincoln's favorite tunes was "Dixie". He seemed to have no problem with Confederate heritage after the war.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Heartlander And the biggest slave trader in the Colonies was a fellow named Eli Yale. Looks like the college is going to be forced to change its name
@Heartlander Did Lincon tell you that?
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@lifeistoshort No, that's from hearsay evidence from multiple sources ...

The civil war was fought over the rights of southern states' to exit the union. After the war, those states were readmitted to the union on equal terms as before with former Confederate legislators and military personnel serving as office holders and legislators in the readmitted states. Some former Confederate generals even later served in the US Army.

After the war, many Confederate soldiers and their widows received pensions.

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luckranger71 · 51-55, M
Answer: they're hypocrites.
monte3 · 70-79, M
Would today’s Republican Party even support the Civil Right acts of the 60’s? Back than we had Everette Dickson(sp?) and the main leaders that did support it, but now as the party of the white populist backlash I actually doubt it.
TexChik · F
Freedom is freedom . That flag was flying before woke libtards took issue with it .
NenaRussa · 26-30, F
Then why are you commenting on my post? @TexChik
TexChik · F
@NenaRussa because it’s BS . You are not from this country nor do you understand what is actually going on
NenaRussa · 26-30, F
I understand what’s going on well. Racism is commonly disguised as patriotism in my country as well @TexChik
FreestyleArt · 36-40, M
Because of History Values and these so-called protestors Are making a name of themselves. Greedy thugs who accept money by these organizations just trying to put dirt on Trump. that's all it is and it haves nothing to do with Floyd's death. it was personal since it was proven and idiots like black lives matter and Antifa is making a name of themselves as a terrorist group. I wouldn't blame Trump to declare against them since they destroy most of the small Bissnusess and injuring people. did you call that peaceful? get the fuck out Bitch!
NenaRussa · 26-30, F
Excuse for what? I don’t even understand what you’re arguing for. My question was a simple one. @FreestyleArt
@FreestyleArt You need to calm tf down. Nothing you said had anything to do with the op.
NenaRussa · 26-30, F
He is now blocked @canusernamebemyusername
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Such horseshit

 
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