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Here's Why Trump Will Win In 2020

I predict that Trump is going to win his bid for a second term as President. The scenario I envision, is the following:

Democratic primaries/caucuses are over and done.

Bernie comes in 3rd

Bernie supporters accuse the DNC of playing favorites throw a tantrum fit, and either vote-in Bernie, or some 3rd party candidate

Trump gets about 35% of the popular vote, but like Clinton on his first run, ends up with the electoral votes needed to win the Presidency

During Trump's second term, two more Supreme Court vacancies will be filled with Evangelical-blessed judges, and the Handmaiden's Tale, edited to include only Aunt Hilda's perspective, will be mandatory reading for school children, from pre-school up.

Anyone looking forward to this scenario?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
I think Democrats will unite after the primaries, because the alternative to a Democratic victory is the end of democracy. Even Republicans are starting to see this now. Trump will still do well in the red states that have become part of the cult, but not in the rust belt states. The Democratic contender will win a sizeable majority of the votes, and enough electoral votes to win the Presidency. It will take at least four years to start to repair the damage done. Democrats will continue to hold the House and will pick up the Senate in 2020 or 2022. Once that is accomplished, laws will be passed to prevent another Trump from shredding democracy in his own self interest by clarifying the emoluments clause, ensuring that criminal conduct on the President's part can be prosecuted while he/she is in office, clarifying that it is illegal to extort a foreign nation for the President's self-interest at the expense of the nation, putting a limit on the time that a temporary position can be held before an appointee is made, or subjecting the temporary position to Senate approval, and preventing nepotism in the Oval Office for the President's children or relatives, whether they are paid or not. This will be a start in righting the wrongs that have been inflicted on the nation.
Carla · 61-69, F
[@9416,Northwest] by Sept I knew. I kept telling folks he was going to win. I wanted to be wrong.
I have a different feeling this time around.
Northwest · M
[@548295,Carla] I believe the only way Trump can win, is if the Bernie folks do not accept reality. This is why I started this thread.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@548295,Carla] I had the same experience. I was watching the probability of a Trump win plummet, and then rise after Comey's announcement a few days out. I had a sinking feeling in my stomach that we could elect a wannabe-dictator. And we did. But the feeling is much different this time, though there will be many new revelations before next year's election. Who knows if Trump will even be in office and running by then?
First we'll have to go through Trump's outrage over the fact that there is even an Election going on. It will be the first documented proof of Spontaneous Human Combustion and there will only be ashes left so Bernie will win.
Carla · 61-69, F
[@711251,Peapod] truly!
Peapod · 56-60, F
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Carla · 61-69, F
Patience, [@711251,Peapod]. Patience.:)
Bernie needs to do a much better job than he did in 2016 in terms of supporting the Democratic nominee, as do Democrats and Republicans who don't want to see the US fall apart completely.

I'm far less worried about Evangelicals on the Court than I am about the gutting of all three branches of people loyal to the Country as opposed to the Trump regime.
[@339454,windinhishair] The cultists are going to scream witch hunt no matter what, but the flip side of witness tampering is nailing down deposition testimony to prevent it from changing at trial. Unless Trump changes course and decides to unload documents, this one is shaping up for a testimony based trial in the Senate.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@479686,MistyCee] An impeachment proceeding and trial needs to be based on witness testimony as well as documents. It should be done very precisely with attention to the facts, because the consequences are immense. I don't doubt that evidence requested by the various subpoenas already issued has been destroyed by Trump, and he's lined up those close to him to lie on his behalf with promises of pardons made. But there are others, like those being deposed in the House, who know the truth and will testify on the truth. Even if the Senate votes to keep Trump in office, it needs to be made clear through the evidence what people are voting for or against in 2020.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I think you're failing to account for Trrump's incredible unpopularity. Like 60% of people in the US support impeachment right now. He has a devoted, active, and motivated base but very little beyond that. Even if the DNC is a dumpster fire, this is a hard one to lose.

They can still lose it, and may, particularly if they nominate fucking Biden, but we'll see.
Northwest · M
[@521796,MethDozer] Yeah, that's only part of it, but I am mostly concerned about his general agenda, which is not going to represent much change from the status quo. Still though, come November 2020, and if sanity does not prevail, I will not hesitate to vote for him, over Trump.
MethDozer · M
[@9416,Northwest] I hear ya' for once.
Anonymartyr · 51-55, M
[@624254,CountScrofula] not to mention that he throws more tantrums than all of his competitors combined, and over foolish things like pizza and rockbands...and that nonsense about threatening Canada with bikers.
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
JFC. Stop with the negativity. Is this possible? Yes. Probable? No. The Prez is justifiably unpopular. I think whoever is the Dem nominee will win.

Let’s be Fonz cool even If our preferred candidate doesn’t win the nomination.
BlueVeins · 22-25
[@9295,luckranger71] How so?
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
[@4199,BlueVeins] follow the SC decisions on gerrymandering and the insane setups in places like North Carolina and Wisconsin. A vote for Republicans on the federal level is helping to ensure the Supreme Court and federal judiciary protecting unrepresentative districts and continued outsized conservative representation vs their numbers in the general electorate.
Northwest · M
[@9295,luckranger71] President Obama stayed largely away from the Dem debates, but he's very active on the gerrymandering front.
BlueVeins · 22-25
Based on Bernie's reaction to having the election stolen from him in 2016, it's unlikely that he'd run without the nomination. Given recent trends, the most likely scenario seems to be Elizabeth Warren nabbing the nomination, which the Bernie bandwagon isn't that unhappy with anyway.
JT123 · M
Trump will win because the majority of Americans are fed up with the democrats non stop failed attempts to get rid of him! Pretty sad that their only plan to win is to get rid of the president! The dems should focus on an actual plan for America and they might have a chance! It will be a pleasure watching Trump destroy them next year
Dale321 · M
The Electoral College possibilities are not simple, your interpretation of the Electoral College is over simplified.

Best you stick to your Marxist Leninist propaganda.[@339454,windinhishair]
Northwest · M
[@34944,Dale321] [quote]Marxist Leninist propaganda[/quote]

Wait, someone is pushing for Marxist / Leninist propaganda (I love it when people throw compound adjectives around)? Do tell.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@34944,Dale321] Marxist Leninist propaganda? You mean statistics and probability? How is that Marxist and Leninist?
whowasthatmaskedman · 61-69, M
As a non resident, your scenario has little effect on me. But having no skin in the game directly does qualify me as a more independent observer.
The bigger picture is that America is genuinely no longer in charge of its own fate. And that is a fundamental shift from a couple of decades ago. The internal rot of a corrupted economy goes further back. But that was not critically important until a genuine competitor arose in the form of China. Only when China has started to push the Capitalist wall has it cracked and crumbled and that will continue.
But your scenario of a deeply religious, deeply introverted America is quite possible. Religion and corruption have long been close companions and I see no reason that shouldnt continue. However, Trump is not necessary to this. Almost every Senator and Congressman has been bought by the lobby system. And that is where the real power lies. Presidential paralysis is quite real. And the house (to paraphrase Lincoln) is well and truly divided against itself.
whowasthatmaskedman · 61-69, M
[@9416,Northwest] While I agree with most of your case, I frankly dont see America getting back "on the right track" . I see an economic fading from power at best and a rapid disintegration at worst. But America will emerge from the whole thing another France or Britain in terms of world influence.
Northwest · M
[@621893,whowasthatmaskedman] The "right track", is NOT world domination, it's finding a balance, where zero sum is not the name of the game.
whowasthatmaskedman · 61-69, M
[@9416,Northwest] It would be nice to get back to a zero sum game.. American money has been charging commissions just for moving money from one pile to another without any actual earnings or growth in the real economy, effectively making the pie smaller each time. Nothing gets made means no earnings.
Burnley123 · 36-40, M
Do Sanders supporters really think like this? I'm interested to know your opinion your experiences.

I follow the American left a bit and from what I know they are critical of the Democrat mainstream but also see Trump as significantly worse than any Democrat.
MethDozer · M
[@9416,Northwest] I'm not so sure so many will.do the same this round without Hillary being the nom and with Trump's record now.
Burnley123 · 36-40, M
[@9416,Northwest] We also have a first past the post system and I disagree with it but it means tactical voting is a massive thing. A lot of liberals might not vote labour next time because corbyn is not pro remain enough for them. There is a story in this bit of you want a path to avoid Brexit, it logically runs out of through the Labour Party.
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Carla · 61-69, F
Hush your typing fingers!
MethDozer · M
I see it too but more became the Dems are so eager to eat their own as being demonstrated with the recent accusations against Gabbard.
BlueVeins · 22-25
[@521796,MethDozer] If you remember the 2016 election though, the Republican party demonstrated that internal cannibalism can be a pretty effective way to win an election.
MethDozer · M
[@4199,BlueVeins] Yea, but the DNC also cannibalize itself in the GOPs favor in that election.

Now many are doing it again but with a cohesive GOP. Again against its most viable candidates.
MethDozer · M
[@4199,BlueVeins] I sure hope I'm wrong but I haven't been wrong on any election yet.
firefall · 61-69, M
I think you considerably overestimate the number of diehard Bernie supporters that will do that (although god knows they're exceptionally noisy online).

I hope so, at least
Dale321 · M
The first four paragraphs are plausible.

The rest is kinda of over the top.
Northwest · M
[@34944,Dale321] [quote]The rest is kinda of over the top.[/quote]

You think Handmaiden's Tale will only be required for pre-K?
midnightsun · 22-25, M
Trump will definitely win because of people like Hillary Clinton working in the background to get trash like Joe Biden as their primary nominee against Trump.

If it was Tulsi or Andrew Yang then I don't think Trump will win. Bernie is associated with socialism so he will NEVER get elected either way.
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Northwest · M
[@339454,windinhishair] I would not care, but he started deleting comments I made in his threads. He does not get to comment on my threads.
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