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Who was the best US president in the last 40 years?

Poll - Total Votes: 53
Carter
Reagan
Bush 1
Clinton
Bush 2
Obama
Trump
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SW-User
I cannot believe what I’m about to say, but I’m going to go with my initial gut reaction to seeing that list. Of all of them, I admire Bush 1 for making decisions based on what was right in the moment even at the expense of political expediency. The entire decade of the 90’s may have been very different had Bush 1 not had the conviction to stand up to a room full of war hawks and hold the line against invading Iraq, which was a mistake his son would later unfortunately make. He also attempted to address rising budget deficits that were not projected in ‘88 (when he made the “no new taxes” pledge) by enacting cuts and tax increases that were fiscally reasonable given the shifting economic landscape, and he did this knowing he’d be crucified for it in ‘92. I can’t think of another president out of that group who consistently opted for the best decision for the situation over the best political maneuver for himself. In retrospect, he doesn’t get enough credit for that, and when I was in my early 20’s, I certainly didn’t recognize it at the time. However, I appreciate it now.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
@SW-User ^this
@anythingoes477 the absolute best the democratic party had to offer..... lost 49 to 1. LOL to a guy who was "that bad" LOL
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@YourMomsSecretCrush So if someone is elected to office overwhelmingly, their performance after they are in office has nothing to do with how good a president they are? Interesting theory. Using that logic, the world's best leaders in the past 100 years would be Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini.

How about judging someone's performance in the job based on how they actually perform?
@YourMomsSecretCrush Trump managed that, assuming he received no foreign “assistance”. And he’s the worst candidate anyone’s offered in modern times. The American voting public is at best a crapshoot.
I'd probably go with Clinton, but not with a whole lot of conviction or certainty. Many of Clinton's flaws bothered me less than some of the others, and on policies I tended to agree with him a lot, so that might skew my answer a bit. If I really disagreed with him more, I might not put him first.

Reagan was incredibly effective and influential, but some of the influences have been pretty horrific, and I think Republicans putting him on a pedestal alongside the biggies like Lincoln is really dumb. He could be my no. 1, but I feel like I'd want to add an asterisk or something.

Obama's another odd one for me, because when I think back, substantively, in eight years, it seems like he had two major accomplishments, cleaning up the economic mess that was dumped on him and Obamacare, which pushing through ended up making it impossible to get anything done legislatively after that.

Trump is still working at destroying Obama care, and is pretty much still making reversing Obama no matter what the issue is one of his priorities, so I feel like, by the time the Trump regime is deposed, Obama may well end up being remembered mostly for being the well spoken black guy that scared America so badly, we elected Trump.

I hope I'm wrong about that, and using think it's justified, but I feel like even a tiny bit of blame for enabling the Trump presidency may end up overshadowing everything else.

Carter, I always liked, when I disagreed with him, and the guy was sharp, but not a great President. I sat in on one of his classes, though, and feel like, maybe if he'd had the benefit of coming after Reagan and Bush like Clinton did, he might have been really good.

Bush 1 I personally liked, but being President wasn't his gig, and he seemed to lack the leadership and personality to do much more than trail on Reagan's coat tails until Slick Willy dazzled everybody with superior style.

Bush 2 was probably well intentioned, but 911, Iraq, Afghanistan and Katrina really screwed him up and anything else he did or didn't do will likely be forgotten.

And last, there's Trump, whose deeds are still being done. He's at the bottom of my list, but, in terms of influencing the country and changing the course of history, he may still end up with the biggest chapter in the history books. I hope I'm wrong one that one, or that the backlash is what he's remembered for.
SW-User
I like how you touched on each one of them and acknowledged that none of them were perfect. I think some have a tendency to view a few former presidents (and the current one) with such rose colored glasses that they see them as infallible, which none of them are. @MistyCee
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
Josiah Bartlet!
SW-User
Carter, the only one out of them who is actually a decent human being
SW-User
I like Carter as a human being, and I think he’s done amazing work after leaving office. Habitat for Humanity is an incredible legacy to leave the world. My issue with Carter was his ineffectiveness while in office. He had the deck stacked in his favor with his party also having Congressional control, but somehow, his administration managed to retain its outsider veneer to such a degree that they alienated Congressional leaders from their own party. I won’t judge him for the rotten hand he was dealt, but had he and his people built bridges instead of burning them with Congress, he could have been much more effective than he turned out to be. @SW-User
SW-User
@SW-User I can't argue with that, he was ineffective and it makes me think that maybe president is not a job for good people. It reminds me a bit of what happened to Mikhail Gorbachev, someone who deserves way more recognition than he gets.
Barack Obama. 🇺🇸
@SW-User It’s one of those things I would’ve thought could’ve cut across party lines. Everyone needs to be able to see a doctor, for themselves or their children, at some point. And I figured that those who worry about having to pay for others [b]realized[/b] they were already paying when people went to the ER because they were uninsured.
SW-User
Unfortunately, I think the opposition was based much more on whose name is on it versus what it was or is. I can’t imagine too many people who didn’t rest a little easier knowing that their pre-existing conditions were covered or that they’d be able to cover their kids through the entirety of their college years. @bijouxbroussard
@SW-User Exactly. The GOP deliberately poisoned the well by calling it “Obamacare” rather than its title [b]ACA[/b], because of the dog whistle effect they knew it would have on even their constituents who [b]benefited[/b] from the plan.
MaryJanine · 61-69, F
Reagan - although I wasn't of his party and I didn't vote for him, his background as being first an actor, then a Governor, then President, gave him the smooth confidence in the public eye necessary for public speaking and State of the Union addresses. When there was a crisis brewing, he didn't immediately fly off like someone else I could name, but won't. but looked into it, prepared his speech and outlined his proposal to handle it. Reminds me of FDR. He didn't spew hate messages to any one organization or group while working on a crisis - you don't DO that when you want the public's confidence - and their votes.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
Most people don't know their history.

Many of the realities of HW's presidency are not well understood by the public.

He will go down as one of the most influential and highly qualified presidents of the modern age.
SW-User
I think people automatically view one term Presidents as failures without really looking beyond that to see why they were one term. Bush 41 could have easily been a two term President had he ignored the widening deficit and been a wartime President in ‘92 by invading Iraq. He probably would have been untouchable. Instead, he made two key politically costly yet correct decisions. Those two decisions put Clinton in the position to preside over balanced budgets later, because without either, the likelihood of balanced budgets by the end of the decade would have been almost nil. @JoeyFoxx
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
@SW-User Agreed. Clinton's first term was perfectly executed where he took the momentum built by HW.

Unfortunately, W wasn't nearly the President his father was. Dick Cheney is the devil incarnate.
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The deficit and debt are key issues for me, so I’ll always put some major plus marks in Clinton’s column for working across the aisle to achieve that (even if it was somewhat forced upon him). However, his second term was pretty much dedicated to defending the castle, and in hindsight, he probably should have resigned for the good of the country and turned it over to Gore who could have been more effective without the distractions. @pismo
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@SW-User Clinton presided over a booming economy while at the same time destroying regulations on financial institutions and that eventually led to the collapse of the economy under Bush. One of those party today and don;t worry about tomorrow's hangover economic policies.
SW-User
I view Clinton’s presiding over a booming economy like I view Slim Pickens riding the bomb in Dr. Strangelove. The internet boom and bust was going to happen regardless of who sat in that office. Like I said, I’ll give him credit for his part in balancing the budget, but that’s probably the most significant thing I can credit him for. I’ll go back to my point about him resigning, because had he stepped down, perhaps Gore may have been more diligent (and less distracted) in minding the store when it came to reining in deregulation. It’s all “what if” now, because we’ll never know. @ChipmunkErnie
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fredmohar · 36-40, M
🙂
LOL...on scale of 1-5 all would get a 1 at best. This goes all the way back to Washington....
Some worse than others but none great as our distorted history makes them seem with Andrew Jackson @ -10 and Abraham Lincoln @ -20.....
MaryJanine · 61-69, F
@GrayGhost Andy Jackson fought the Indians who were bitter over our moving into their territorial lands and hunting grounds, pushing them out. As for Abraham Lincoln, he had the most difficult job of all, trying to guide a deeply divided country which was at war with itself (A house divided against itself cannot stand).

Re-read your history books - and with an open mind and understanding. Remember, our former Presidents in that era worked with what they had and the social mores of the times and development of this country. We do any of our previous leaders a grave disservice judging them by today's standards.
jomsim · 26-30, M
There seem to be presidents from only one country in that list. I'm sure the best president is statistically more likely to be, or have been, leader of another country.
fredmohar · 36-40, M
@jomsim I corrected the title of the question
SW-User
It doesn’t matter. You can say something good and bad about every president and be right.
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays Check with his supporters on that.
@wilderflower They're are crazy.
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays You can make one of the longest threads arguing that.
JarJarBoom · 41-45, F
I was going to say Frank Roosevelt but yea...that was more than 25 years ago..so I'm going to say the ghost of Frank Roosevelt
roberta · 61-69, M
@roberta He goes outside the time frame specified.
@wilderflower No, he doesn't. I've seen framed pictures of JFK.
You mean the lesser lesser of multiple fakes?

🤔 none
Ramon67 · 61-69, M
Obama was and still is a joke
MaryJanine · 61-69, F
@Ramon67 He wouldn't BE a joke to you or anyone else if Mr. Trump didn't remove all the changes he installed in office. And please don't tell me he didn't do that - he actually said in public, print and the newspapers that that's what he was doing. And all the world leaders who Mr. Obama dealt with and negotiated peace with are today loaded for bear and gnashing their teeth over the current President's rudeness.
SW-User
Hard to say. It's like they're all the same guy. 🤭
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@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays You should get out more. FDR...in the last 25 years??? Really??
@anythingoes477 Did you listen to FDR's speech yesterday on the radio? We're going to war with Japan.
MaryJanine · 61-69, F
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays Change the batteries in your radio and listen again.
midnightsun · 26-30, M
tenente · 100+, M
all politicians are shit
@tenente That's disrespectful.

 
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