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I have no problem with a citezenship question being asked

Do you?
Pherick · 41-45, M
The census wasn't and isn't about actual details of the people is gets info from. Yes, of course, it gets their names and info, but that information is anonymized and used in a vast number of ways, all kinds of policymaking decisions.

Its hard enough to get people to take the census, why would you make it harder but adding questions people feel like could be used against them?
@Pherick you said that asking a question would prevent people from replying. I said then stop asking questions. If reading comprehension is a weakness in communication I can't look for some crayons and draw you a picture. I promise to use bright, pretty colours.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@jetpack Nope, you made some untrue assumptions, something about illegals voting, which isn't true. The sarcastic shit-spray you call an answer wasn't anything of the kind.

I mean you can keep enjoying your crayons and such, that's probably about the highest form of communication I can expect out of you.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@jetpack [quote]@QuixoticSoul give a logical rebuttal or just hush. You can go back to your circle jerk afterwards.[/quote] You haven't made an argument to rebut yet. "Let's just not do it" is not an argument, it's a tantrum.
GoldenWorm · 51-55, M
The Constitution saycount people, not citizens. Ask8ng the question reduces participation by non citizens and Hispanic citizens. Counts are used to set apportionment and voting power. Unless you already know al this, you're too ignorant to answer the question
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@MrBrownstone Because the fucking constitution says so lmao. Rightoids smh

Don’t like it? Amend the constitution instead of trying to undermine the census.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@QuixoticSoul Same with gun laws ass wipe
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@MrBrownstone Yes, same with the gun laws. Just because there are some goofy leftoids out there, doesn’t make you any less retarded.

Come to think of it, doubly so, because you love strict constructionism so much 😂
Ynotisay · M
I absolutely do. It's not about citizenship. It's about redistricting and federal funding. Trump likes it because he knows his devoted followers just think it's an opportunity to "hate the browns."
redredred · M
Its hard to understand why its un-American to ask how many Americans are in America
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@redredred Nobody is calling non-citizens American here, legal or not 🤷‍♂️

Strange direction to try and take this in.
redredred · M
@QuixoticSoul First, find where what I wrote contains such an implication. When you give up on that futile effort, then understand that when the court ruled that Trumps reasoning for the question was inadequate, that was closer to "unAmerican" than "unconstitutional"
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@redredred Well it's nice to see you two in complete agreement then, a little harmony - it is a pretty silly tactic to use.

[quote]when the court ruled that Trumps reasoning for the question was inadequate, that was closer to "unAmerican" than "unconstitutional"[/quote]
No. Not even remotely.

[quote]Roberts said that under a U.S. law called the Administrative Procedure Act, the federal government is required to give a reasoned explanation for its actions. Roberts said the sole stated rationale - enforcement of the Voting Right Act - “seems to have been contrived” and was “more of a distraction.”

“We are presented, in other words, with an explanation for agency action that is incongruent with what the record reveals about the agency’s priorities and decision-making process,” Roberts wrote.

“Accepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise,” Roberts added. [/quote]
They simply called them liars.
EnigmaticGeek · 61-69, M
Not at all. I don't know of any other country that doesn't ask citizenship questions on its census.

Since individual census data is confidential by federal law, there is zero reason to omit the question(s) as dual/multiple nationality data should also be collected.
EnigmaticGeek · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Actually, 1 in 6 households used to get the long form. It was last used in 2000. It was replaced by the American Community Survey in 2010, which is only sent to approx. 3.5 million households per year, not sufficient to produce statistically valid data for any decennial year on a per person basis, IMHO.

It's as if Congress doesn't want to know how many aliens are in the US--legal or not. Given the percentage of undocumented aliens who are permitted to fill job positions in the agricultural industry, and the fact that we have the best government money can buy in the US, it doesn't surprise me that there will be no citizenship question on the 2020 census, despite it effectively enabling an encroachment on the sovereignty of the republic by enabling some states to permit non-citizens who have never sworn an oath to uphold the US constitution to vote.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@EnigmaticGeek [quote]only sent to approx. 3.5 million households per year, not sufficient to produce statistically valid data for any decennial year on a per person basis, IMHO.[/quote]
3.5 million is absolutely sufficient to produce highly reliable demographics statistics. It's not effective in producing a locally-accurate headcount, but that's not the point of this supplemental survey.

[quote]despite it effectively enabling an encroachment on the sovereignty of the republic by enabling some states to permit non-citizens who have never sworn an oath to uphold the US constitution to vote. [/quote] 😂 que?
EnigmaticGeek · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul It needs to be statistically significant at a local level, because many states allocate their funds and in some cases, funds they received from the federal government based at least in part on census data. I don't know of any state that does its own equivalent of a census.
Magnolia · 31-35, F
Is this for America? What sort of questions are they?

I just got New Zealand citizenship and I didn't have to answer any questions or anything like that. Just got to go to a beautiful ceremony, meet the Mayor and I also got a native sapling as a gift. I love my country :)
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Magnolia This really has nothing whatsoever to do with naturalization.
Magnolia · 31-35, F
@QuixoticSoul idk what that means sorry
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
Looks like he backed off...it won’t be on the census 👍. [image deleted]
Biffed · 26-30, M
No
beckyromero · 36-40, F
Yes.

Because it's for no other reason than to intimidate both green card holders and undocumented immigrants from being counted in "blue" states as a means to increase Congressional representation in "red" states in 2022.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
No need to be snarky. You’ve seen the field of dem candidates right? 😂 @beckyromero
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@jackjjackson [quote]No need to be snarky. [/quote]

😜

[quote]You’ve seen the field of dem candidates right?[/quote]

A number of whom I wouldn't vote for. (One of whom isn't even a Democrat)
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You know your favorite Biden is going to be eaten alive by the lefties, his son’s hijinx and twisting his past right?@beckyromero
curiosi · 61-69, F
NO, it SHOULD be asked. Unfortunately Judas Roberts is at it again. Trump has a plan however.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
Not at all.
That's how we know how many citizens are here.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Eh.

In theory, no. The census information is constitutionally protected and privileged, legal or illegal immigrants should have no fear participating.

In practice, this is a cheap fear tactic and an attempt to make the census results less accurate - as such it is counter productive to the entire exercise.
katielass · F
No, no legitimate reason to oppose it.
No. Why would I?
Ynotisay · M
@Spoiledbrat Because it's unconstitutional?
Ynotisay · M
@Spoiledbrat Congress controls the census. Not the President. And Article 1 of the Constitution uses the language "counting the whole number of persons in each State." Not citizens. And we know how the Supreme Court ruled on it.
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
If you ask questions that people won’t answer then what’s the point of a census?
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
@jetpack That federal check actually checks for a rap sheet. If you lie about being a felon, it’s a crime. What exactly does this have to do with a census to count the number of ppl in our country? Don’t you want an accurate count?
@Quetzalcoatlus the check does not always catch felons.
You were saying?
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
@jetpack 😂 nice try. Do you don’t want an accurate count?
SW-User
Yes and no
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User Over three hundred million people participated in the 2010 census. So you’re remarkably wrong here.
SW-User
@QuixoticSoul Hey, you. Thank you for coming. I never said most, over half, or an amount. I just said a lot.

So technically, I'm not wrong.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User Technically, maybe, if you want lawyer it a bit.

But since "a lot" turns out to be a very small portion of the population, your argument is essentially that changing the census doesn't matter because a tiny minority of residents manage to elude it. I do not find it persuasive.
Gee - knowing a little bit about your nation - other than to know how to fill out government assistance forms and office locations.
Perish the thought.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Myzery · 41-45, F
Depends on the circumstances.
Myzery · 41-45, F
I don't know about the context that this question is referring to.
@Myzery this is in reference of the population census that happens every 10 years.
I'm 100% with you not wanting government up my ass. As if it's not bad enough that the NSA reads all of our email, taps all of our electronic communication and monitors all of our banking.
Myzery · 41-45, F
@jetpack Indeed. Ok. I haven't been keeping up with current affairs, so I wasn't sure if it was something extreme or benign. Thanks!
raysam363 · 31-35, F
I've got no problem with being asked, have all the proof they could want.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@raysam363 Nobody would be asking for proof.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Depends on the context
strongbow · 46-50, M
To not ask is unamerican, which is why liberal/democrats like it
Pherick · 41-45, M
@MarmeeMarch Well we don't need a wall, so if SOMEONE would stop harping on that little thing, we would be good.

I can scratch number one, border security will always be a large costs, we have vast swaths of the unprotected border that need to be watched, there will be large costs to do that, it's part of being a large country. Have to suck those up.

Again, you don't seem to get this. #3.6 billion dollars is not the reason people here in the US are not being helped. Move past the money, its the will to help those people that isn't there, not the funds.
@Pherick you need money to help -
Pherick · 41-45, M

 
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