I have no problem with a citezenship question being asked

@EnigmaticGeek Except it will be used to limit federal funding, which impacts everyone, while also restricting to silence minority and/or Democratic votes. That's what this is about.

@Ynotisay Congress can change how federal funding is allocated at any time, regardless of what questions are on the census.

The census should have complete and accurate citizenship and other relevant data so that not only federal, but state funds, too, can be allocated accurately according to the laws in effect for each fiscal year and jurisdiction. Anything less is a failure of the rule of law and due process.

@EnigmaticGeek The rule of law? The law is clear now. The Census in the hands of Congress. If you're supporting Trump on this, and I'm not saying you are, but you're hardly about the rule of law.

@Ynotisay It has nothing to do with Trump. I didn't vote for him in 2016. I'm presently undecided for 2020.

If no data is collected on citizenship, there is no way to know how effective or ineffective any of the immigration, naturalization, and border security programs actually are, or aren't. In short, without accurate citizenship data, there will never be any accountability for any of those agencies and no way to know how well immigration laws are actually being enforced, or if they are not.

Keep in mind that everyone in the US is supposed to be counted, including inmates, detainees, everyone. Unless you know in what capacity they are present in the US, the census is largely a waste of money.

@EnigmaticGeek The long form is sufficient to establish answers to those questions - and it does include the citizenship stuff and has for over a century.

@QuixoticSoul Only a small sampling of people ever get the long form.

@EnigmaticGeek More than enough for a sufficiently accurate statistical sample to answer the sort of questions you were concerned about.

@QuixoticSoul Actually, 1 in 6 households used to get the long form. It was last used in 2000. It was replaced by the American Community Survey in 2010, which is only sent to approx. 3.5 million households per year, not sufficient to produce statistically valid data for any decennial year on a per person basis, IMHO.

It's as if Congress doesn't want to know how many aliens are in the US--legal or not. Given the percentage of undocumented aliens who are permitted to fill job positions in the agricultural industry, and the fact that we have the best government money can buy in the US, it doesn't surprise me that there will be no citizenship question on the 2020 census, despite it effectively enabling an encroachment on the sovereignty of the republic by enabling some states to permit non-citizens who have never sworn an oath to uphold the US constitution to vote.

@EnigmaticGeek [quote]only sent to approx. 3.5 million households per year, not sufficient to produce statistically valid data for any decennial year on a per person basis, IMHO.[/quote]
3.5 million is absolutely sufficient to produce highly reliable demographics statistics. It's not effective in producing a locally-accurate headcount, but that's not the point of this supplemental survey.

[quote]despite it effectively enabling an encroachment on the sovereignty of the republic by enabling some states to permit non-citizens who have never sworn an oath to uphold the US constitution to vote. [/quote] 😂 que?

@QuixoticSoul It needs to be statistically significant at a local level, because many states allocate their funds and in some cases, funds they received from the federal government based at least in part on census data. I don't know of any state that does its own equivalent of a census.