Since most illegal immigrants arrive legally by air, how is a wall going to stop them.?
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BlueVeins · 22-25
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BlueVeins · 22-25
@voodoo1970 As I said, Visa overstays only account for 2/3 or so of illegal immigrants. About 1/3 hop the border unannounced.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Graylight I don't personally dislike illegal immigration, but it does have a substantial effect on the U.S. economy, most notably by using government services and paying taxes on a relatively infrequent basis. Taxes generated by illegal immigrants do not offset the costs of the services they use.
Miram · 31-35, F
Most do not arrive by planes.
Tourism is expensive, same for university enrollments. You have to prove you have enough money to be in the US for a VISA. And if you have that kind of money, you don't need to immigrate to the US anyway in most cases. You're already living well off.
Tourism is expensive, same for university enrollments. You have to prove you have enough money to be in the US for a VISA. And if you have that kind of money, you don't need to immigrate to the US anyway in most cases. You're already living well off.
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daisymay · 51-55, T
@Razorback How will the wall keep out planes and ships or stop illegal immigration over the northern border?
Are you really so naive to think that if somehow this idiotic wall got built, that enterprising individuals wouldn't come in elsewhere? My gosh, when I was told that conservatives lacked the ability to think critically, I originally thought that it couldn't be true. Yet, here we are.
Are you really so naive to think that if somehow this idiotic wall got built, that enterprising individuals wouldn't come in elsewhere? My gosh, when I was told that conservatives lacked the ability to think critically, I originally thought that it couldn't be true. Yet, here we are.
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Like2play · M
As well as you should stop with Fox. @PainfulTruth
Pherick · 41-45, M
@PainfulTruth So numbers out by the DoJ are MSNBC propaganda now? Interesting.
MarmeeMarch · M
Question - what is going to happen if there is another conga line of asylum seekers ? Are the asylum seekers also "jet - setters" too ?
By the way the ones that come by air - overstay their visas - they would not be allowed to board a plane in Mexico let alone to leave the airport in the USA if they were sneaking into the country. >
By the way the ones that come by air - overstay their visas - they would not be allowed to board a plane in Mexico let alone to leave the airport in the USA if they were sneaking into the country. >
MarmeeMarch · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout your first paragraph is bullshit - and not worth 20 billion - raise your fucken kids right and keep them out of harm's way will do the trick.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
He wanted 25b to start with. He’s down to 5B and a shutdown.. where is the bullshit?
$5b is to just get it started@MarmeeMarch
$5b is to just get it started@MarmeeMarch
MarmeeMarch · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout the BS was about us spending money to keep their brats in line - not my job - not my kids, I did not shit them out. You spread you legs now you raise your little monsters.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Amyrakunejo Bingo. It's a false problem. There's no inherent ethical issue about someone entering a country and no evidence that there's any huge social issue that resides from it.
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voodoo1970 · 51-55, M
Most drugs come tbrough official border crossings....
MarmeeMarch · M
@Miram As you can clearly see from the mother that abused her 2 children by allowing them to be exposed to tear gas as she tried to slap her flip flops into the US. They (Mexicans) stop at nothing to get what they want.
JessBalance · F
Be fair. Most isn't all. Some maybe even a lot do come across the border. An impregnable wall (if such a thing could be built) would stop a lot of illegal immigrants.
A significantly better wall would stop a significant number of illegal immigrants.
That said most of the illegal immigrants and drugs DO com through the ports of entry.
A significantly better wall would stop a significant number of illegal immigrants.
That said most of the illegal immigrants and drugs DO com through the ports of entry.
JessBalance · F
@daisymay Declining and stopped aren't the same thing. How many came across last year? I'd be willing to wager it was still a big number.
JessBalance · F
@daisymay I seems that no one knows how many illegal immigrants came across the US southern border last year.
The contention that the number of is declining seems to be based on the number of APPREHENSIONS made at the border not the number of actual illegal crossings which by their very nature are not documented.
It's far easier to count the number of legal immigrants who overstay their visas.
So you can say there were 303,916 apprehensions at the southern border in 2017 and 396,579 in 2018.
Yes the numbers have actually gone up but let's not quibble since the long term trend is downward.
And of course the more effort the Border Patrol puts in and the more resources they are given the higher the number is going to be.
How many actually got through? Was it 600,000? Was it 6,000? We will never know.
Now the stats say that in 2016 there were 739,478 overstays, compared to 563,204 illegal border crossings.
But the two are quite different. Those 563,204 are people who FAILED in that they were caught.
In fact some will represent multiple failures in that the same person was caught more than once.
Who represents the biggest threat to America?
The overstayers wee all checked to see if the were dangerous when they got their now lapsed visas. Did they become dangerous at midnight on the day their visas expired?
It's far easier to imagine Trumps 'bad hombres' (did he watch too many westerns) among the ranks of the shadowy figures who slip across the border.
Men in sombreros with big mustaches.
Yes that's a stereotype but if hard core criminals are coming to America from Mexico they are more likely to be coming that way than overstaying visas.
I'll share the source of my statistics. They come from the BBC not Fox.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44319094
I will leave you with one thought. How many US school shootings have been done by immigrants legal or not?
The contention that the number of is declining seems to be based on the number of APPREHENSIONS made at the border not the number of actual illegal crossings which by their very nature are not documented.
It's far easier to count the number of legal immigrants who overstay their visas.
So you can say there were 303,916 apprehensions at the southern border in 2017 and 396,579 in 2018.
Yes the numbers have actually gone up but let's not quibble since the long term trend is downward.
And of course the more effort the Border Patrol puts in and the more resources they are given the higher the number is going to be.
How many actually got through? Was it 600,000? Was it 6,000? We will never know.
Now the stats say that in 2016 there were 739,478 overstays, compared to 563,204 illegal border crossings.
But the two are quite different. Those 563,204 are people who FAILED in that they were caught.
In fact some will represent multiple failures in that the same person was caught more than once.
Who represents the biggest threat to America?
The overstayers wee all checked to see if the were dangerous when they got their now lapsed visas. Did they become dangerous at midnight on the day their visas expired?
It's far easier to imagine Trumps 'bad hombres' (did he watch too many westerns) among the ranks of the shadowy figures who slip across the border.
Men in sombreros with big mustaches.
Yes that's a stereotype but if hard core criminals are coming to America from Mexico they are more likely to be coming that way than overstaying visas.
I'll share the source of my statistics. They come from the BBC not Fox.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44319094
I will leave you with one thought. How many US school shootings have been done by immigrants legal or not?
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Read it and weep
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Pherick No there isn't they even said the numbers weren't collected so just stop.
In fact, the limited data we have suggests that whatever fraction flies into the country, it is less than 40 percent
However, while that assessment provides the 40 percent figure, it gives no details on the fraction that arrived in an airplane
could be as low as one-quarter or somewhat more than one-third
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand I love how you take chunks of the site to make it seem like it supports your views ... lets post whole paragraphs shall we?
In other words, while the number of overstays coming in via flights, could be debatable as that data is harder to find, the number of overall overstays has good arguments for 40%+
Hence the half-truth. Try reading the entire article and not nit-picking next time.
The key research on "overstays" -- the working term for this group of unauthorized immigrants Ramos had in mind -- was undertaken in 1997 by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS estimated that overstays accounted for 41 percent of the undocumented.
Here we’ll add a bit of complexity. Immigration researchers divide the undocumented into two groups -- overstays and "entries without inspection." The first group might have a student, temporary work or tourist visa. The second group never went through any review.
Robert Warren -- who helped with that work at the INS and now is a senior fellow at the Center for Migration Studies, a research group founded by Catholic missionaries -- told PunditFact that not only does the balance between the two still hold, it has likely tilted toward the overstays.
Analysts with two other organizations, the Pew Research Center and the Migration Policy Institute, largely back Warren’s overall estimates.
"It is likely that the 40 percent figure is still valid and, if anything, the share of unauthorized immigrants who are visa overstayers is probably higher than 40 percent," said Jeffrey Passel at Pew.
Here we’ll add a bit of complexity. Immigration researchers divide the undocumented into two groups -- overstays and "entries without inspection." The first group might have a student, temporary work or tourist visa. The second group never went through any review.
Robert Warren -- who helped with that work at the INS and now is a senior fellow at the Center for Migration Studies, a research group founded by Catholic missionaries -- told PunditFact that not only does the balance between the two still hold, it has likely tilted toward the overstays.
Analysts with two other organizations, the Pew Research Center and the Migration Policy Institute, largely back Warren’s overall estimates.
"It is likely that the 40 percent figure is still valid and, if anything, the share of unauthorized immigrants who are visa overstayers is probably higher than 40 percent," said Jeffrey Passel at Pew.
Ramos said that about 40 percent of undocumented immigrants fly into the country and overstay their visas. While there is some evidence that overstays represent about 40 percent of the unauthorized population, and perhaps more, the best estimates of those flying in -- which are admittedly a bit shaky -- could be as low as one-quarter or somewhat more than one-third. The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details, so we rate it Half True.
In other words, while the number of overstays coming in via flights, could be debatable as that data is harder to find, the number of overall overstays has good arguments for 40%+
Hence the half-truth. Try reading the entire article and not nit-picking next time.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Pherick uh the whole reason I posted was because he said they come in by air how about understanding what I'm arguing beforehand.
I read the entire thing by the way, I've read it before even, when I had to tell someone else this same thing because they too believed that most were from planes
I read the entire thing by the way, I've read it before even, when I had to tell someone else this same thing because they too believed that most were from planes
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
It won't. It would be like saying, since there are deaths by gun, all guns should be banned. The wall... which is now a barrier... is the dumbest thing one group of people has ever latched on to for no rational reason.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
oh i see. because of 0.01% of sneaky bastards. we should do nothing.. give up. throw in the towel.. ?
voodoo1970 · 51-55, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout it would make more sense to throw $5 billion at solving the other 99% of the problem.
It would be far cheaper and more effective to go after the majority of the problem - assuming you actually wanted to silve it instead of just trying to win a popularity contest
It would be far cheaper and more effective to go after the majority of the problem - assuming you actually wanted to silve it instead of just trying to win a popularity contest
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
@voodoo1970 you can give away 50 billion a year in aid.. the only ppl who benefit from that are politicians bank accounts, theres no investment or return for that..
5 billion a year for a wall to save how much on illegals costing you each year?
yeah well what evs..
5 billion a year for a wall to save how much on illegals costing you each year?
yeah well what evs..
voodoo1970 · 51-55, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout how much do illegal immigrants cost the economy though? Since be definition they aren't on any government benefits or social security, and they spend mpney locally which contributes to the econony as a whole (what's that? "They send money back their families!"? Maybe some, but in the meantime they're buying food, goods and services in the country they're living)
bookerdana · M
But it LOOKS so nice and shiny..meanwhile TSA people are not showing up,nor are FAA employees. Vanity,vanity!
MarmeeMarch · M
Hellooooooo??? a 7 mile high wall - ever think of that ?????
plungesponge · 41-45, M
The wall is just the first phase of the dome. Trump is playing 5D chess
monkeysdevil007 · 46-50, M
They are building it six miles high 👍️
Serena · F
I thought it was boats mostly
kodiac · 22-25, M
It's gonna be really tall!!!!!