Since most illegal immigrants arrive legally by air, how is a wall going to stop them.?
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Read it and weep
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand It says "half-true" that its hard to give exact numbers on this, it could be as low as 25% or higher than 40%, so not really a "read it and weep" type situation.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Pherick he claimed something with no actual evidence which means he is either ignorant or a liar, so yes, weep
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand No there is plenty of evidence, just some dispute, and arguments to be made about how to read the evidence. Sorry, no weeping.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Pherick No there isn't they even said the numbers weren't collected so just stop.
[quote]In fact, the limited data we have suggests that whatever fraction flies into the country, it is less than 40 percent[/quote]
[quote]However, while that assessment provides the 40 percent figure, it gives no details on the fraction that arrived in an airplane[/quote]
[quote]could be as low as one-quarter or somewhat more than one-third[/quote]
[quote]In fact, the limited data we have suggests that whatever fraction flies into the country, it is less than 40 percent[/quote]
[quote]However, while that assessment provides the 40 percent figure, it gives no details on the fraction that arrived in an airplane[/quote]
[quote]could be as low as one-quarter or somewhat more than one-third[/quote]
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand I love how you take chunks of the site to make it seem like it supports your views ... lets post whole paragraphs shall we?
[quote]The key research on "overstays" -- the working term for this group of unauthorized immigrants Ramos had in mind -- was undertaken in 1997 by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS estimated that overstays accounted for 41 percent of the undocumented.
Here we’ll add a bit of complexity. Immigration researchers divide the undocumented into two groups -- overstays and "entries without inspection." The first group might have a student, temporary work or tourist visa. The second group never went through any review.
Robert Warren -- who helped with that work at the INS and now is a senior fellow at the Center for Migration Studies, a research group founded by Catholic missionaries -- told PunditFact that not only does the balance between the two still hold, it has likely tilted toward the overstays.
Analysts with two other organizations, the Pew Research Center and the Migration Policy Institute, largely back Warren’s overall estimates.
"It is likely that the 40 percent figure is still valid and, if anything, the share of unauthorized immigrants who are visa overstayers is probably higher than 40 percent," said Jeffrey Passel at Pew.[/quote]
[quote]Ramos said that about 40 percent of undocumented immigrants fly into the country and overstay their visas. While there is some evidence that overstays represent about 40 percent of the unauthorized population, and perhaps more, the best estimates of those flying in -- which are admittedly a bit shaky -- could be as low as one-quarter or somewhat more than one-third. The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details, so we rate it Half True.[/quote]
In other words, while the number of overstays coming in via flights, could be debatable as that data is harder to find, the number of overall overstays has good arguments for 40%+
Hence the half-truth. Try reading the entire article and not nit-picking next time.
[quote]The key research on "overstays" -- the working term for this group of unauthorized immigrants Ramos had in mind -- was undertaken in 1997 by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS estimated that overstays accounted for 41 percent of the undocumented.
Here we’ll add a bit of complexity. Immigration researchers divide the undocumented into two groups -- overstays and "entries without inspection." The first group might have a student, temporary work or tourist visa. The second group never went through any review.
Robert Warren -- who helped with that work at the INS and now is a senior fellow at the Center for Migration Studies, a research group founded by Catholic missionaries -- told PunditFact that not only does the balance between the two still hold, it has likely tilted toward the overstays.
Analysts with two other organizations, the Pew Research Center and the Migration Policy Institute, largely back Warren’s overall estimates.
"It is likely that the 40 percent figure is still valid and, if anything, the share of unauthorized immigrants who are visa overstayers is probably higher than 40 percent," said Jeffrey Passel at Pew.[/quote]
[quote]Ramos said that about 40 percent of undocumented immigrants fly into the country and overstay their visas. While there is some evidence that overstays represent about 40 percent of the unauthorized population, and perhaps more, the best estimates of those flying in -- which are admittedly a bit shaky -- could be as low as one-quarter or somewhat more than one-third. The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details, so we rate it Half True.[/quote]
In other words, while the number of overstays coming in via flights, could be debatable as that data is harder to find, the number of overall overstays has good arguments for 40%+
Hence the half-truth. Try reading the entire article and not nit-picking next time.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Pherick uh the whole reason I posted was because he said they come in by air how about understanding what I'm arguing beforehand.
I read the entire thing by the way, I've read it before even, when I had to tell someone else this same thing because they too believed that most were from planes
I read the entire thing by the way, I've read it before even, when I had to tell someone else this same thing because they too believed that most were from planes