Since most illegal immigrants arrive legally by air, how is a wall going to stop them.?
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Miram · 31-35, F
Most do not arrive by planes.
Tourism is expensive, same for university enrollments. You have to prove you have enough money to be in the US for a VISA. And if you have that kind of money, you don't need to immigrate to the US anyway in most cases. You're already living well off.
Tourism is expensive, same for university enrollments. You have to prove you have enough money to be in the US for a VISA. And if you have that kind of money, you don't need to immigrate to the US anyway in most cases. You're already living well off.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Miram Most [i]do[/i] arrive by plane. In 2017, according to the Department of Homeland Security, 300000 people tried to cross the southern border. That pales in comparison to the 700,000 who simply flew in and overstay their visas.
Contrary to popular nationalist opinion, the typical immigrant isn't a dirty, poverty-stricken peasant.
Contrary to popular nationalist opinion, the typical immigrant isn't a dirty, poverty-stricken peasant.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Graylight
You don't illegally reside in a country for fun. It is out of economic necessity in most instances.
[quote]a dirty, poverty-stricken peasant.[/quote]
Would I call myself a dirty poverty stricken peasant? I am an immigrant. I am speaking from experience not what I watch on your news. 🙄 Don't misdirect my comment.
[quote] That pales in comparison to the 700,000 who simply flew in and overstay their visas.[/quote]
According to the Department of Homeland Security it is [b]a suspected overstay.[/b] Those stats are irrelevant when it comes to whether or not it is unlawful or illegal immigration, because they are based simply on entry and exit data.
And the 396,579 in [b]2018[/b] only include those who were apprehended.
You don't illegally reside in a country for fun. It is out of economic necessity in most instances.
[quote]a dirty, poverty-stricken peasant.[/quote]
Would I call myself a dirty poverty stricken peasant? I am an immigrant. I am speaking from experience not what I watch on your news. 🙄 Don't misdirect my comment.
[quote] That pales in comparison to the 700,000 who simply flew in and overstay their visas.[/quote]
According to the Department of Homeland Security it is [b]a suspected overstay.[/b] Those stats are irrelevant when it comes to whether or not it is unlawful or illegal immigration, because they are based simply on entry and exit data.
And the 396,579 in [b]2018[/b] only include those who were apprehended.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Miram Your last statement is extraordinarily misleading. Yes, there were that many apprehensions in 2018. This is because Trump changed the rules and began to detain [i]everyone coming over the border.[/I] The apprehension number for 2017? 51K. This according to the president's Department of Homeland Security.
The "facts" put out by the White House are extremely misleading and immigration at the border is at a historic low. 1971 was the last year it was lower.
https://www.azpm.org/s/56311-homeland-security-releases-misleading-border-apprehension-numbers/
The "facts" put out by the White House are extremely misleading and immigration at the border is at a historic low. 1971 was the last year it was lower.
https://www.azpm.org/s/56311-homeland-security-releases-misleading-border-apprehension-numbers/
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Miram Hmm, that's odd, because D’Vera Cohn of the Pew research Center believes differently.
“We don’t have exact numbers,” Ms. Cohn said, “but, from what we know, it appears that a majority of recent arrivals in 2016 are not unauthorized immigrants who crossed without documents, but people who arrived on legal visas and overstayed their deadlines to leave.”
And oddly, the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) places the two side by side as well.
[i]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/despite-trumps-claims-most-illegal-immigration-is-not-at-the-southern-border.html[/i]
Politifact echcoes this.
[i]https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/aug/24/kevin-mccarthy/mostly-true-visa-overstays-account-half-all-people/[/i]
And the Department of Homeland Security.
[i]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article216432920.html[/i]
And the Center for Immigration Studies.
[i]https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays[/i]
Maybe on a break between you US law classes we can have another good discussion.
“We don’t have exact numbers,” Ms. Cohn said, “but, from what we know, it appears that a majority of recent arrivals in 2016 are not unauthorized immigrants who crossed without documents, but people who arrived on legal visas and overstayed their deadlines to leave.”
And oddly, the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) places the two side by side as well.
[i]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/despite-trumps-claims-most-illegal-immigration-is-not-at-the-southern-border.html[/i]
Politifact echcoes this.
[i]https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/aug/24/kevin-mccarthy/mostly-true-visa-overstays-account-half-all-people/[/i]
And the Department of Homeland Security.
[i]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article216432920.html[/i]
And the Center for Immigration Studies.
[i]https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays[/i]
Maybe on a break between you US law classes we can have another good discussion.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Graylight
You're in more need for law classes than I am. You can't even distinguish between suspected overstay and overstay. And whatever I type goes way over your head. Arrival and Exit dates are not enough to determine if someone is illegally residing in your country.
You can keep on jumping from a year to another. The criticisms remain the same.
I doubt we can ever make a productive discussion. Your bias is so extreme that it made you go to my profile and attempt to demonize me.
You're in more need for law classes than I am. You can't even distinguish between suspected overstay and overstay. And whatever I type goes way over your head. Arrival and Exit dates are not enough to determine if someone is illegally residing in your country.
You can keep on jumping from a year to another. The criticisms remain the same.
I doubt we can ever make a productive discussion. Your bias is so extreme that it made you go to my profile and attempt to demonize me.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Miram [i]nobody is talking about suspected anything.[/i]
This is the second time you mentioned your belief I checked your profile in an attempt to hurt you in some way. Get over yourself. I don't even remember checking you out, and if I did it was to figure out what kind of person I was talking to. Believe me, you do my work for me.
This is the second time you mentioned your belief I checked your profile in an attempt to hurt you in some way. Get over yourself. I don't even remember checking you out, and if I did it was to figure out what kind of person I was talking to. Believe me, you do my work for me.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Graylight
[quote] In 2017, according to the Department of Homeland Security, 300000 people tried to cross the southern border. That pales in comparison to the 700,000 who simply flew in and overstay their visas.[/quote]
700000 estimate of DHS in 2017 is suspected overstay. And that doesn't make it illegal immigration.
Too late to be in denial, you posted something negative in my profile right after a disagreement and under a post I made two days ago.. 🤷♀️
[quote] In 2017, according to the Department of Homeland Security, 300000 people tried to cross the southern border. That pales in comparison to the 700,000 who simply flew in and overstay their visas.[/quote]
700000 estimate of DHS in 2017 is suspected overstay. And that doesn't make it illegal immigration.
Too late to be in denial, you posted something negative in my profile right after a disagreement and under a post I made two days ago.. 🤷♀️
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Miram Copy and post it here, because I've never posted anything in anyone's profile. Do it.
As for what is illegal immigration and what is not, we've been over this and until you provide sources to the contrary, I'm going to assume you're simply ignoring the ones that do exist.
As for what is illegal immigration and what is not, we've been over this and until you provide sources to the contrary, I'm going to assume you're simply ignoring the ones that do exist.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Graylight Seriously lady? https://similarworlds.com/19-Spirituality-Religion/2425113-So-millions-of-flying-roaches-invade-Mecca?rid=27720642
Yes, we have been over it and you still can't get it. Anyone can google the report.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1009_S1_Entry-Exit-Overstay_Report.pdf
Read page iii, it includes information as to why you need more than arrival and exit data to determine illegal immigration. And the page after that mentions 99 percent of suspected overstay population estimate either departed by March 2018 or proceeded with legal process for immigration. 700000 illegal immigrants is a false stat.
Yes, we have been over it and you still can't get it. Anyone can google the report.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1009_S1_Entry-Exit-Overstay_Report.pdf
Read page iii, it includes information as to why you need more than arrival and exit data to determine illegal immigration. And the page after that mentions 99 percent of suspected overstay population estimate either departed by March 2018 or proceeded with legal process for immigration. 700000 illegal immigrants is a false stat.
Like2play · M
Most overstay their visas. That is how most come in.