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For those of you who go hiking.. What type of protection do you have?

I usually carry my .45 on my hip when I am out in the forest. Do those of you who don't carry a gun feel safer when you see someone who is carrying a gun?

If I seen someone in danger in the forest I would not hesitate to use my gun to save them. I feel safer if the people I am with are carrying. Even seeing a random person carrying. Of course I live in the sticks and most people have been hunting.. so there's that.

I know people in the city probably go target shooting at the indoor range if they own a gun.
I was watching some YouTube videos and I had thought about this and decided to ask you all.

Please don't turn this into an argument about gun rights and such.

Thanks in advance for your response.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
It has never occurred to me to carry a gun on a hike.

And if I see someone with a gun, I am wary of that person, rather than feeling safer.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@robingoodfellow I have happy memories of hiking in the Adirondacks in the summers during the 1960's. I recall hikers exhibiting good will toward each other. You could leave your gear in a lean-to, go on a day hike, and not worry about anything being stolen when you came back in the evening. There was a sense of camaraderie, a sense that "we're all out here together."
4meAndyou · F
@DrWatson The Adirondacks are in good area of the country as a general rule. Of course, those carefree days are over, as far as theft goes.
@DrWatson I think that's still the rule rather than the exception. Thankfully
* Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense
* Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal
* Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense
* Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/





Are there "1 to 3 million" defensive gun uses per year in the US?

The "1 to 3 million" figure comes from one "random-digit-dialed telephone survey of 4,977 adults conducted from February through April of 1993" and reported by Kleck & Gertz in 1995. Kleck says the random sampling error of his survey is less than 1%, but if so, that would produce far smaller error bars than 1 to 3 million.

Others have tried to replicate Kleck's data; here's a survey of polling
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
Needless to say, they produce much smaller numbers and likely have their own biases. But here's a useful quote:

We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.
What they're saying, in not so many words, is that guns are often used to intimidate. The guy who draws the gun may think he's preventing a crime. But putting another person in reasonable fear of bodily harm is the crime of assault (battery is when you make contact with the other person). So they're running these stories by judges, who say that many reported "defensive" gun uses are actually the offensive crime of assault, unknown to the gun user.

They also say "8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime; 9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens." i.e. they say it's almost impossible to find a criminal with a gun wound who was shot by a law abiding citizen.

And finally,
Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

I'm not saying this Harvard data is perfect, but it asks a lot of specific questions about defensive gun use; and the results do tend to completely undermine the Kleck 1993 polling result.





Here's the peer reviewed report from the two Harvard surveys:
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/6/4/263

Same author, an analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey from 2007-2011 covering 14,000 incidents
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743515001188
Results
Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a SDGU. SDGU was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after SDGU, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property.
Conclusions
Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.
SDGU = self-defense gun use


America's gun homicides in perspective

homicide rate vs OECD


per capita gun deaths by state red vs blue

gun deaths by state


In the US we have FAR AND AWAY the HIGHEST gun homicide rate in the developed world!!!

The approach of fighting guns with more guns is FAILING!!!
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@ElwoodBlues Tasers and stun guns are not legal here. You have to take a class and pass a marksmanship test to get a CPL. And , of course, submit your personal information, and your fingerprints, pass a background check and pay the fee!
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@ElwoodBlues Statistics can be pushed any way you want depending on your slant. For every stat you put up I can put up the opposite!
@fanuc2013
For every stat you put up I can put up the opposite!
Well then, please show us the gun stats that contradict what I've posted!
Scribbles · 36-40, F
I don't feel safe around guns at all

The things I bring hiking; snack, water bottle, compass if I think my phone will get no reception. a small first aid kit, and a multi tool.
ColoradoKid · 46-50, M
@Scribbles I can understand how someone is uncomfortable around guns. My Dad was a cop.. and seeing him with one all the time probably had a lot to do with my interest in them. He died by one. I still had the interest though. My step dad being a hunter taught me. I have a real respect for them. Every animal I killed I thanked God for the food. I used to be afraid of chainsaws tbh. I started learning about them and what not to do. I own one now and enjoy cutting my own fire wood..
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Scribbles So, you are protecting yourself against hunger, thirst, providing a means of summoning help in an emergency, and possibly a means to save your life in the event of an injury. So, what's wrong with having a means to protect your self against two-legged or four- legged predators?
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@fanuc2013 there is nothing wrong with self defence. I just don't feel safe around guns. I don't feel comfortable having one. I have my own personal reasons for this.

And who says I don't have any means to take care of myself? I'm not hiking in the wilderness, I'm hiking on trails with plenty of people jogging with or without their dogs.
Occasionally over my lifetime, I'll get a weirdo who will attempt to helicopter their penis at you or mug you, or piss in front of you, watch you longer then is polite, or jog with you and start up a conversation and make a pass at you but that's harmless.

There are alternate means of self defense then guns. I have no problem using words, using my fists or legs and feet. People all over the world hike without guns all the time. I will happily count myself as one of them. Because it's what I choose for myself.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
I always carry protection
@HoraceGreenley that explains big foot
@HoraceGreenley you never know when a cougar is hiking your trail.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
My hubby and I carry .357s when out hiking. And we each have a PPK .380 when we ride our bikes.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@GerOttman My condolences for your paralyzing fear and need to weaponize yourself to function for everyday tasks. Sad.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@windinhishair I'll bet you have a spare tire in your car! Do you wear your seat belt? Do you lock your doors at your house? Do you put on sunscreen at the beach? Caution is a lot different than fear.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@fanuc2013 It is a question of relative risk. I don't bring a weapon to church or grocery shopping or to a school, though all of those places have recently been subject to mass murders in the US. You do what you need to do, but weaponizing myself to enjoy a leisure activity like hiking would significantly detract from its enjoyment.
ShadowWorker · 61-69, F
Here in the mountains of WV, there are rattlesnakes, copperheads, bears, mountain lions, packs of coyotes .... my husband and I carry guns when we walk our woods here. Plus...if one of us are out alone...three rapid shots ..rings out help!
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
@ShadowWorker You definitely have that right. I know we have alligators here in the neighborhood. I have always worried about meeting one when walking. I only walk on the streets.
ShadowWorker · 61-69, F
@Musicman I would too! I'm too old to try and out run a hungry alligator 😎 lol..
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
@ShadowWorker They can run really fast for short distances.
Thodsis · 51-55, M
I take waterproof clothing for protection against rain.

And a map. As protection against getting lost. :)
PoeticPlay · 51-55, M
Ruger 40.
At least 2 sharp knives.
Different lengths, different purposes.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Protection from what? You're hiking. Most places don't have dangerous animals, and even in those that do, you are going to be safe in almost every situation if you conduct yourself sensibly. I've been in remote wilderness areas many miles away from other people, seen mountain lions, bears, rattlesnakes, etc. up close, and have never even considered carrying a firearm. It would degrade the experience. The only gun I have ever seen was carried by a Mexican national in Big Bend National Park, coming up a trail from the Rio Grande and setting traps for ringtail and other small game. I greeted him and offered him water, which he waved off and pointed to the river.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@fanuc2013 Coyotes are found in all US states except Hawaii. There are packs that live in wooded areas around me. I walk by them every single day and I hear them occasionally, especially when they have young pups . Despite their presence literally everywhere, attacks on humans are rare. I am not concerned about them.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@windinhishair I have insurance on my house despite the fact that it is unlikely it will burn down
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@fanuc2013 I don't bring a weapon to church even though I could be killed there.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Walking boots, mobile phone, personal alarm.

On the rare occasions I hear anyone using a firearm for hunting I become extremely nervous as such people generally mix their pastime with alcohol consumption and appear unaware of those around them 😐
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@SunshineGirl I have never seen a drunk hunter. That's just an old stereotype
4meAndyou · F
When I was visiting North Carolina with a friend, I could NOT convince him to come hiking with me. I had to go alone. Fortunately I found a little cylinder of mace at a North Carolina yard sale, and that is what I carried with me.
I carry at times when out in nature .. more so in more remote areas
@Musicman Especially in bear country
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
@Stillwaiting That is very smart. I hope its a large caliber.
@Musicman Not much point otherwise.
agonyaunt · 41-45, F
Walking boot's, waterproofs, water, food.

The forest doesn't require guns
I've never thought to carry a gun with me when I go hiking.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
I like to carry an assault rifle and a bazooka just in case I find a country that has oil and maybe being suppressed by it's ruler.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@Slade I know but you did your best.
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@Slade what does "organically stupid" mean?
@GeniUs and up through the ground came abubbling crude. Oil, that is...
WillaKissing · 56-60
I live on a rural country farm in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, and with black bears, bob cats, domestic dog packs that have gone wild taking down calf's, sheep, goats, and chickens around my area yes, I do. Usually, a .44 mag black hawk and Marlin carbine riffle or larger caliber.
pride49 · 31-35, M
Meh. Animals typically won't piss with you unless you piss with them so. And I know this rural area really good. Some crazy homicidal cows but as long as you don't chase them they won't charge you.
WillaKissing · 56-60
I have seen open carry and concealed carry guns that do not bother me, it all comes down to the person, place, and situation of the encounter that either raises my alarm or not.
I live where there are many Nut Orchards.. those farmers are happy to let you take squirrels,
and fed on hazel nuts and almonds? they are FAT and delicious ( yes I might be a hill billy)
dont shoot them direct, but scare them a bit so they flatten against a branch. then shoot that branch Just under their heads, knocks them right out!
don't hate me squirrel lovers! i LOVE THEM TOO, both ways..

Rural Americans are far more comfortable with firearms and thus less alarmed when seeing them.
Many urban Americans see firearms as a sign of potential imminent danger, and thus are uncomfortable. can you blame them?

If I seen someone in danger in the forest I would not hesitate to use my gun to save them
and good on your for that.
My back country carry? the hard to find Ruger 44Mag carbine ( the venerable 10-22 but in 44 Mag) AND the Ruger blackhawk 44 mag revolver.. also rare these days
what do others like for back country arms?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SatyrService My backcountry carry? My backpack. Never carried a weapon. Never will. Never needed to. It would just be extra, useless weight.
rockstar · 31-35, M
A flare gun, yes, but not a gun. (I wouldn’t feel safe going on a hike with anyone who has a gun, unless I know them really well)
Can be used to signal emergencies, and scare off animals.
That, with a multipurpose knife and a hiking pole is all that I carry in the name of protection.
DownTheStreet · 56-60, M
When I lived closer to and hiked the raw wilderness I was always armed - 9mm, not against people but to scare off any cougar or bear that seemed aggressive. Never had to. Now I carry nothing being closer to people.
Fullmetal · 46-50, M
I take our prime minister Trudeau with me! He has all our guns, but in the event of a grizzly encounter, I'm on my own cause even a griz wouldn't eat that piece of shit!!
SW-User
I would answer this post, but I'm too busy hiking and looking for something to shoot
A buddy, Deet, water, a snack, a sweater and sometimes an umbrella/parasol.
If it's allergy time again ibuprofen and nasal spray inside some Kleenex is good.
Bubbles. Blowing bubbles prevents me from rushing through.
You can't be safer by planning to fight.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Roundandroundwego I'm glad our Armed Forces don't follow that idea!
@fanuc2013 people in Okinawa aren't. You famous the globe over for showing up armed, you know, as a people. Hawaii knows you. People all know that we had no way to resist without being killers like you. And seven billion losers are worried over you and only you, Americans.
LandOfOz · 61-69, M
Condoms make good protection
How much does the gun weigh?
tindrummer · M
don't feel the need
WillaKissing · 56-60
Oh, Being I own a timber farm. I always have my still 460 chainsaws in the woods usually in hand doing timber work unless I am bow hunting. I welcome a dog pack, bear, or stupid human to threaten me and the 460 Stihl too.
WaafaS · 26-30, F
Pepper Spray.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
Lo-Fkn-L... like I could carry in a forest in NJ! If I used bear spray I'd be arrested for assaulting the bear...
In my country when I go hiking i take a back pack and water. And a raincoat for protection.
HotPizza71 · 51-55, M
Just suntan lotion,a cap and my mobile phone
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
I saw on the news where we are starting to be over run with pythons. We also have a huge alligator population here. I have definitely thought about carrying when I just walk around the neighborhood.
4meAndyou · F
@Musicman Just remember, you have to actually blow the head off the snake if it is trying to bite you. Snakes continue to move after their heads are gone, so stay at a distance from the pythons!
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
@4meAndyou Oh you definitely have that right. As far away as possible. And if he heads my direction he is toast! Now I just need a gun. Taurus makes a pistol called the Judge. The pistol is chambered for .410 shotgun shells and or .45 long Colt. I think that would be perfect. 🙂
My EDC is a new Bersa Thunder .380ACP that I recently bought earlier this month, it's almost half the weight, and smaller, than my Beretta 92FS 9mm I was previously carrying, I don't even notice my new pistol. I carry because my portable oxygen tanks make me a target for those cowards who wish to prey on those they perceive as weaker than them, luckily I currently live in a state that allows Constitutional carry, I also still have my armed security license in my wallet, from when I used to carry on the job in Las Vegas years ago, so I am properly trained and educated.

 
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