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since Simpofthegoddess is deleting replies in his thread now

thought i would ask the question that he refused to allow on his trans thread and mental illness.

why is gender dysmorphia the only mental condition that people praise, encourage and support body mutilation as a form of treatment?
We do not encourage it anywhere else and all other mental conditions are treated with treating the mind.
Would you allow or encourage a schizophrenic person who has delusions that make him/her want to self harm? no, of course not.
Why is this any different?

this is not a anti trans thread before people come here with their fake outrage. Its a anti everyone thread. Those who actually support body mutilation as a form of treating a mental condition and certainly a anti you thread if you support this with children
AdaXI · 41-45, T
Yeah if you'd of said to me[i] 'do you know what HRT is?' [/i]20 years ago I wouldn't of had a clue what you were talking about as we were mostly all transvestites back then. Obviously over the last 15 years society has changed and HRT and gender realignment surgery have become more common place and it sorta became the new fashion fad lifestyle for transgender people. So then anyone who was a bit compulsive disorder just suddenly convinced themselves they were born in the wrong body started telling all their friends and family they were transitioning big song and dance about it then after taking HRT for months they'd start getting all depressed when they suddenly realised they were turning themselves from good looking 6 foot 3'' 90KG guy into very freaky strange looking woman. I mean the suicide rates in transsexuals is just staggering and it's so sad because we were all very happy before HRT and this idea we could become genetic woman came along. I mean being properly transgender has nothing really to do with physically changing sex like yeah sure if they wanna go for it they welcome to but 99% of us just live in the healthy body we were born in non of the modern trans right stuff you see on the telly doesn't even apply to most of us.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@AdaXI i do know a lot of that already yep but just wanted to hear your opinion more than mine haha.
I get HRT works better the younger you are but still should not be given to kids while their brains have not even fully developed. We dont let kids make life long decisions that will impact the rest of their lives normally because as parents, that is your job till they reach of age where they are capable of doing it themselves yet people let their kids decide someone as extreme as chemically altering their body with no way to reverse it.
Its crazy to me.

I did wish it worked better for adults though but my main concern is with children to be completely honest.
When you're a adult, you're free to do whatever to your own body. None of my business for the most part.

I truly believe being trans these days is a fad. You come out as trans, you get all sorts of attention and praise. I think a lot of people desperately want attention more now than ever and its a easy way. Its why i believe you see these people who claim they are trans yet put no effort into passing.
Not saying there really is no trans people btw just that its odd that there seems to be more trans people than ever and detransitioners
AdaXI · 41-45, T
@Torsten That is why HRT is a Panadora's box like you can't use it at a 'good' time really it's just dangling possibilities that can never be truly tapped into at any sorta safe level so really we need to move well well well away from it, nothing to be seen here LOLZ!

Yeah fashion fad like yeah sure again 20 years ago you average joe knew nothing about what trans scenes were about you had to know you wanted to be in it to be in it but then transsexuality brought it all over ground so now you got kids sat there thinking 'was I born in the wrong body?' So I can understand what you mean by the sorta issues it bring with it x
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Torsten · 36-40, M
@AdaXI thanks for the replies. Always good to hear your thoughts on this
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
Because Schizophrenia is easily treated with medication and has nothing to do with a severe phobia for your entire body. Schizophrenia is to be confused in what's real and what's not. For example my friend with Schizophrenia still asks if ET exists. He struggle to understand that what happens in a movie isn't all real. Doing surgery on his body would make zero difference. However some get electro shock therapy for it still.

Body dysmorphia is a phobia, as in severe fear. And to fear and feel constantly threaten by your own body is making most people with this condition suicidal.
They can go a therapeutic treatment they can get anxiety meds but that's rarely enough, so the most common help is surgery.

And it's not like you can just sign up and say "Hey, I wanna do a surgery cause I hate my body" it takes years of therapy and doctor evaluations and tests and you must turn 18 before this can even be an considered a future option. So anyone who are impulse thinking or just following a transition trend will not put up with the process, only those who actually need it will.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Queendragonfly schizophrenia is not easily treated with medication. It can take a very long time to find the right doasge and type of antipsychotic medication that helps.

My point is when a schizophrenic person is having a delusion and wants to self harm due to it, nobody encourages and praises for that to happen yet with gender dysmorphia, that is exactly what happens.

gender dysmorphia is a mental condition. Not talking about body dysmorphia.

Surgery is only one aspect of it. Chemical transition is another. Again, if you're a adult. Knock yourself out but this thing does not just happen to adults. Its happening to more and more kids where adults are confusing them into making them think they're transgender and soon enough they are on puberty blockers and so on.

But getting back to gender dysmorphia again its the only mental condition that is treated any other way compared to other mental conditions.
Notladylike · 36-40, F
I don’t have an issue with trans people. I do feel a level concern with the prevalence currently amount youth in particular as there is a social learning component to it at the moment. Which is probably going to make me sound horrible. But it’s just my observation. I do think there are sometimes other undiagnosed mental health issues at play. There are a lot of steps to go through to get any physical changes under 18 though. If you’re an adult then why should anyone else care 🤷‍♀️
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Notladylike as a adult, do as you please.
when children are involved, it should never be allowed.
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
He also can't define man and woman beyond "Identifies as a man/woman" dude is an idiot.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Rolexeo i seen that. How you going to try and claim just identifying as a man or woman makes you just that yet he cant even define what a man or a woman is. The guy is clueless
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
@Torsten They really seem to have a problem defining things, cause if they define their ideas then they're easy to falsify.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Rolexeo that is exactly it
[quote]"why is gender dysmorphia"[/quote]

there is a term "gender dysphoria"
there is the term "body dysmorphia"

where did you get term "gender dysmorphia"?


further, on topic and without emotion:

the formation of secondary sexual characteristics occurs between the ages of 10 and 16.

the best age for trance transition is before the age of 10.


to make the transition or not to make the transition?

the answer depends on whether the person is transgender or not.

until scientific methods make it possible to detect with great accuracy the signs of transgenderism in a person, no one will be able to answer this question.


there is nothing more to discuss here, but if you really want to, you can...
JacksonBlue · 31-35, M
I know a couple of people who have had gender dysmorphia (female to male) and at least in the UK you have to go through a lot of steps before physical surgery.

That includes therapy and hormone treatments. only then can you get physically altered withthe waiting time for surgery lasting years.

There are quite a few other mental health issues that get turned into surgery. Mainly around unhappines at cosmetic appearance.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@JacksonBlue yes but those are steps towards the actual treatment would you not say?
JacksonBlue · 31-35, M
@Torsten id say they were potential solutions with surgery being the last measure. I know the therapy has made people stop going through with the transition. But i do think a lot of trans people go into it wanting the surgery and think everything else is a waste of time.

The same way some obese people want surgery but have to go through the therapy and alternative solutions before they can get surgery.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@JacksonBlue fair call.
Yes, there is therapy, but it normally is therapy to see if they are suited to the operations and so on. That seems to me like basically just a step to get to the treatment and the treatment when it comes to mutilating healthy bodies over a mental condition, i dont agree with it being a cure. Especially when suicide rate is still very high after the operations and yeah certain people try and claim its due to bullying and harassment but i think the real cause of it is when those operations are done, trans people at times realize the surgeries was not a cure and they still feel the way they did before the operations except now they have to go through a tremendously rough painful healing period.
Doomflower · M
Characterizing it as mutilation seems unfair. If you're born with a club foot or cleft palate the treatment is surgical correction. The natural response to growing up with either of these uncorrected would understandably be significant mental distress.

Gender dysphoria is the equivalent mental response to being born in the wrong body.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Doomflower nah that seems to fit perfectly when we are talking genatalia being cut and turned inside out and so on to healthy bodies.

gender dysphoria is a mental condition that makes people feel like they were born in the wrong body. I dont believe treating a mental condition with a physical treatment is the right way to go. Hence my comparison to schizophrenics.
To go more into it. There was a schizophrenic who believed he had something inside his head moving around and tried to cut apart the top of his head to be able to get it out.
Should doctors have encouraged that and done it for him?
yes its a different scenario but both mental conditions and both having a condition that makes the person think something is wrong with there body and it needs to be cut into to be made better. Only one gets encouraged and praised though.
Same thing with those people who feel like they should have born with no legs. Should doctors remove healthy legs to help their mental condition?
no obviously not.
Mental conditions should be treated with mental treatments
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Because people are hypocrites. They support amoral things. My question to you is, are you willing to tell your best friend that they have a mental issue? I remember you saying your best mate is trans.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Stargazer89 she is the first to say gender dysmorphia is a mental condition. She aint one of those radical trans tiktok users haha. she fully knows and accepts she is biologically male and living as a female. Even jokes around with it a lot.
This is why i always say trans people in real life are not like you see with those trans psychos online saying the craziest of things or the activists

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