Trans - what IS that, really?

@NerdyPotato since a man cannot become a real woman and a woman can not become a real man does it mean they will be transitioning forever. So they will be a trans for life? I am not trying to offend.

@specman "real woman" and "real man" are rather subjective terms, but they will be trans(itioned) for life indeed. (Unless they decide it's not for them and go back to their original gender of course. If they only socially transitioned, that's pretty easy.)

@ArishMell and that's not necessary either to respect them. That's all the "special pleading" they do: ask for respect. I wouldn't call that special though.

@NerdyPotato I am fine with that - just simple, mutual respect. The problem comes with anything like this when people start to try to politicise the matter.

@ArishMell yes, sadly that's a problem with many topics. But I'm glad we agreed in the end.

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@SamInAZ

Now thats funny

@SamInAZ Oh, look, your mom has her own sign.

@pride49 It figures.

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@SumKindaMunster The problem there is - too many people have a problem with the trans community as a whole. Yes there are some trans who are obnoxious about their trans identity but there are some who are just trying to quietly get through life like anyone else. Problem is that the ones who do not like trans, they tend to just assume ALL trans are out to cause problems.
More often than not, the only time trans identities are "Honored" is when the person addressing one has something to benefit.
OR if they are undetectable as their birth gender.

Sports -

The vast majority of trans have no interest in sports to begin with.
Even the ones that do, it seems to me like any athlete would want to compete against someone who would offer a real challenge instead of an easy win. No matter what someone is doing, one doesn't improve by taking the easy route.

It seems to me that not too long ago in the media, there would be women "showing the boys up" in some kind of sport or other predominately male activity. "See boys, you ain't so tough after all!" was the attitude but enter trans athletes and suddenly it is, "Women aren't as strong!"


This is a rock and a hard place. We know that typically for a trans person to have a decent life, they need to be (mostly) undetectable as their birth gender. If they start transition early enough, there is a much better chance of "passing" (going undetected) as adults.
Yet if they have to wait, there is little chance of passing and they have to go through life looking over their shoulders.

@HoeBag
No that's not the problem. Perhaps it IS a problem, but its not the problem with the trans movement.

The problem with the trans movement is they want fealty to their beliefs and causes, without any sort of effort in return. They want to be praised for their choices, but condescend and put down others who don't agree with them.


Regardless, the trans movement should condemn this practice and speak out against those that participate.


There will always be exceptions to the rules. I still believe we need to exercise the utmost caution when it comes to surgically or chemically altering children. It's ridiculous to me that this should even be argued.

@SumKindaMunster These are non-issues. You probably can't name three trans athletes who compete at a level where they win against AFAB. And the number of children getting hormones is almost insignificant.

Anti-abortion fanatics dismiss our concerns about rape victims because "those are a tiny percentage." I dismiss your concerns over trans athletes and gender care for children on the same grounds.

@beermeplease (S)he probably does.

@Torsten Whether doctors would class it as "mental illness" I do not know, despite the fancy language often used, and possibly encouraged by private-practice "therapists" charging hefty treatment fees.

However I do agree with your point of some apparently wanting special treatment for being in a minority.

When I turned my computer on yesterday, Mickeysoft's log-in page held some boast about the company's care for "LGBTQAI+", I think it was, and apparently referring to its employment terms.

Whence that AI, which don't think means Artificial Intelligence/Idiocy here? Plus what? Plus-Fours? Pi*R squared?

How much longer is this wretched alphabet-soup going to grow before society realises we are all just people with individual characteristics and traits, and give up this fad for cramming everyone into database-like categories and artificial "communities"?

Like it or lump it, strengths and weaknesses, in health or illness, male or female, we are all just... human beings.

@ArishMell Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and you cant be transgender without it, so that makes being transgender a mental illness.
I dont say its a mental illness to put those with it down or anything. I think when people here mental illness that its just discredited or whatever but its just reality that when your brain tricks you into thinking you're something you shouldnt be to the point you would mutilate your own body, thats a clear cut mental illness.

I think people are now finally fighting back against this absurdity that comes with the lgbtq community and them trying to enforce their fantasies and sexual perversions on the majority of society.
Pride month this year is a example of that. Normally you would have companies pandering to them like crazy but this year they are not doing that, because they seemingly have got the message that there is no money in it for them anymore.
People see that and repulse against it.

People are tired of it and we might finally be on track to getting back to some normalcy and living in reality instead of others delusions.

@Torsten I see. I understand your point that , but then you contradict yourself by following this:


with


Further, no-one is trying to "enforce" thing on others. Preventing sexual crimes is one thing but a totally separate matter; but such enforcement would not only be impossible, but attempts at it would be cruel and foolish to attempt. And that includes so-called "straight" people trying to oppress homo-, bi - or cross- sexuals.

Those with cross-sexual drives want the understanding and respect they deserve simply as people - but I do object to some of them seemingly wanting to be treated as somehow special merely for being in a minority.

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I don't like the "Pride" rhubarb either, but I can understand it having stemmed from homosexuals and bisexuals of both sexes fighting back against a history of prejudice and persecution by ignorant and frightened heterosexuals.

I don't suppose the "Pride" events are attended by more than a small proportion of their supposed "community"; but rather than pointlessly processing through the streets of London or New York and American companies boasting about supporting them; both sets would do the world a far better favour by campaigning against those fascist governments who treat anything not "pure" heterosexuality as a wilful choice and serious, even capital, offence.

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(Homosexual acts between men, but not women, were made illegal in Britain in the 19C, and this cruel and ignorant law was not repealed until the early 1960s. Two important figures who were pointlessly imprisoned under it were the playwright Oscar Wilde, and the code-breaking mathematician Alan Turing. Ironically, Turing's work was vital in defeating the Nazi empire that was trying to exterminate not only Jewish but also coloured, Romany, mentally-ill and homosexual people - all human beings but Adolf Hitler regarded them all as defective untermensch ("sub-human").

It is now illegal for companies in the UK to discriminate against anyone on religion, race or sexuality, and on mental or physical disability where the applicant for the post could still perform the work. I think this modern anti-prejudice law was by EU Directives, so most European nations will have similar laws.)

@ffony Did you not view my profile??? Maybe I'm mistaken and there's another account buzzing around with your name and profile picture??? 🤔🤔🤔

@HootyTheNightOwl I see no context for this - ??? And yes I looked at your profile long ago. Are you talking about the statement that you're unpredictable?. Much of the 'profile' is just cartoons.

@ffony No, the reason I ask is the line immediately below my username in my profile... you know... the one that says 🇬🇧🇬🇧ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM🇬🇧🇬🇧.

The context is perfectly clear from where everyone else is sitting...

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Now, now, don't go complicating things. You'll upset the potato

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout

Yep. When the operation, similar to Appendectomy, called AddAdickToMe or TakeMyDickFromMe are complete.

@HannibalMontanimal happy pride month!

@ArishMell Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said I don't 'accept' as in normalise someone else's mental issues. There are lots of mental conditions that should we normalise our society collapses including drug addictions. That is not condemning anyone simply pointing out that mental illness is at its heart self destructive and furthermore destructive to to society as a whole.

@hippyjoe1955 No need to be sarcastic. I can read perfectly well, thank-you very much.

I do not condone drug addiction because that is usually self-inflicted, often by curiosity or peer-pressure; and no, it should not be "normalised" in the way we might "normalise" innocent aspects of life. Although how we educate people not to even try these substances in the first place, Goodness knows. I don't think anyone else does either.

Genuine mental illness is not self-inflicted, of course. It is an illness and no-one can help it; though luckily many such illnesses can now be at least controlled. There but for the grace of God, and all that.....

This though, I find a very chilling echo of certain parts of 20th Century European history:

Having said you are not condemning anyone (I would hope you don't) you add, with my underlining:


Meaning what, exactly?
What sorts of mental illness?
What would be your answer for that harm to society you define, especially to those who are mentally ill, are close to, or are even caring personally or professionally for, someone who is?

@Bumbles It would seem that way but people enjoy being rude anytime they think they can get away with it.