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Is racism in the southern U.S. different than other parts of the country?

I've heard that parts of the southern U.S. have Jim Crow era racism, but I have never been there so I wouldn't know first hand.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
In my opinion not really its not like they make it seem on TV.
I was born and raised in Texas and for the past 3 years I have been traveling the country to places big and small every week.

In the South it is much like everywhere else. Lots of interracial couples (I don't consider this a metric against racisim but some do).
Most larger cities in the South are extremely diverse. Houston has one of the largest Nigerian populations in the world outside of Nigeria. 64% of San Antonio is Latino because afterall this was the capital of Tejas when it was part of Mexico.
You can't just believe propaganda.
Florida is just as diverse. You are just as likely to hear Cuban Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese or Hatian Creole as you are English when you walk down the street in Miami but the South is Southern.

This means that most white people have some ancestors that fought in the Civil War for the South and they are probably proud of it.
In states like Alabama and Mississippi the Confederate flag flies everywhere but not all people who fly the flag are racist.
Old Plantations are everywhere and yes there are a large group of people that would prefer that minorities remain in "their place".
Most people are friendly and kind.
If you look at all of the shooting of innocent black people in the news by the police most of these didn't happen in the South. I personally think that racism is everywhere pretty much equally.
It just had a different flavor and style depending on where you are from.
@REMsleep that was interesting, thank you.
@REMsleep Yeah…I asked long ago what that flag represented that Southerners are [b]proud[/b] of ? The only reason it exists at all is because those states chose to secede and stop flying the U.S. flag. And why did they secede ? What were they basing their independence and economy on ? [b]Slave labor[/b]. Even in the secession documents they filed to separate from the U.S., to a man the representatives stated their concern that Lincoln would abolish slavery and destroy their way of life. In many southern states, they don’t want their kids taught about that history or the Civil Rights Movement now. I thought maybe they were finally ashamed of the history. They’re not. They just don’t want to be made to feel like monsters because they’re [b]not[/b] ashamed of what was done to people.
Alabama · 100+, F
@REMsleep Is Tennessee less racist than Alabama?
every times the black went to war as in ww2 and vietnam war . they came back with the idea if they died for the usa they wanted equal rights.

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now for woman it was ww2 and they started to work for the war effort . and they wanted equal rights also.

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At first, women weren’t always welcomed into the workplace. They received less pay and some men looked down on them and felt they weren’t up to handling a “man’s job.” They often faced sexual harassment, long hours and dangerous working conditions. and there pay is still not equal today
@fernie2 i wish i could do it all over again . i would be a better person . a lot of change happened at that time. music helped changed the world view.
@markansas It seemed people were more awake and aware back then...for a minute
@markansas Yes....so sad. 😭
Humans are trash. When there's no racism against race there's against ethnic groups and people from certain religions and faiths. I'm not American but I noticed that specifically in the Mideast.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether that can be a world wide thing. The genocide in Rwanda was tribal, people were judged by the shape of their nose.
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether We ARE trash as a species.There's only ONE race!
Slade · 56-60, M
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether Humans are tribal animals. They are attracted to people they identify with. To expect anything else is never never land fantasy

There us nothing intrinsically good about "diversity". It is unnatural and forcing it only breeds resentment
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
I am a white senior citizen who grew up in Brooklyn, NY in the 40s and 50s. There was clear covert segregation. When Brooklyn College, my alma mater, hired a black professor, he could not find housing near the college! We cheered Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, and many other black baseball heros and thought we were very liberal, but were blind to the systemic racism that existed! There were no signs in stores or restaurants but, clearly, there were very few blacks in them.

I would like to shake the alt-right into understanding what systemic racist am is!
@samueltyler2 As I was telling another commenter, I grew in Chicago which is a very diverse city but most of it is very segregated to this day. It's pretty sad.
I'm from the West Coast but live in Savannah, GA now. I can tell you that this is the most integrated neighborhood I've ever lived in, with a mix of white, Black, East Asian, and South Asian. The real divide is between urban and rural. It's a different world when you go out of town a ways. But it's the same in rural California, maybe more so. Phil Hendrie said that there are more racist redneck hillbillies in California than in the entire South combined. The entire population of Georgia would barely make a dent in Los Angeles County.
@Nelladell It's a great building. I used to work across the street from it.
@Nelladell There are places around Georgia and South Carolina coastal areas where people still speak “Gullah”, a very old patois going back to the slave days. There’s a similar French based Creole dialect where my family was originally from in Louisiana. I’m guessing that’s what you were hearing spoken.
Nelladell · 80-89, F
@bijouxbroussard I see. Thank you.
The KKK ruled Denver colo a century ago. Here’s how the hate group’s legacy is still being felt in 2021.
About a third of Denver’s white, U.S.-born men were part of the Ku Klux Klan at its height in Colorado

[image deleted]this was every where
Nelladell · 80-89, F
We pulled imto a tiny convenience store at a country crossroads in Louisiana. While I waited in the car a pickup pulled in next to us. A white guy was driving. An African-American guy was passenger.

I didn't see a beating taking place, or even a chewing-out. But the difference in their stance, their expression, their carriage -- made me cry
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Nelladell Very empathetic of you. You must be a bit of a social liberal.💗
Nelladell · 80-89, F
@samueltyler2 Would I meed to know what that is to be one?
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[image deleted][image deleted][image deleted]blacks had to sit in the back of the bus. i remember this time
@markansas So do I. When we traveled by car to visit the relatives, we saw such signs. I was just learning to read.
SW-User
yes racism in the south is a lot worse
SW-User
@LadyGrace its nauseating how often people let others false information lead them astray simply due to the fact that they didn't want to do their own research
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@LadyGrace Racism involves more than slavery. Regarding Whites & Blacks, not all of them are racist toward each other and some in the past were not racist either.

However, racism as an issue is alive and well in America because it is still systemic, involving every social and economic issue from voting, criminal justice, employment, medical care, housing, education, etc.

Things were getting better but it seems as if they are slowing down and may stall out very soon.
@Diotrephes I'm aware of that. 👍
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
Yes! Especially In small redneck towns, they get away with a lot of racist things. Take Harrison Arkansas for example. That’s literally the kkk headquarters. And then my tiny redneck town I had to go to school in, the schoolbard there was racist towards the small Hispanic population that they antagonized. And so it got around that my school district was racist. And even to this day when I tell people I grew up in that tiny redneck town they can’t believe it because they hear a lot of racism coming out of it but it was mainly towards Hispanic people because there wasn’t any black kids until I came I was literally the only black person in the school district for the longest time but I didn’t start to get treated differently until President Obama became President. And I felt so bad for all the minority students rather they were Hispanic, black, Asian, Marshallese what ever all those students who had to go to white school districts had it so bad.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@TurtlePink I have heard even Whites tell me about places like SouthWestern [b]Ohio,[/b] and
Western [b]Pennsylvania.[/b] Some have said it is more racist than the [b]South.[/b]

Unless you are in [b]Arkansas or Mississippi. [/b] 🙂
It's long gone from the south.
@BizSuitStacy Prove what? That Trump is racist? Well, I can't prove what's actually in his black heart, but I can list a bunch of racist things he's said. Will that do, or will you just make excuses for him?
@BohemianBoo Sure. Let's see this list.
@BizSuitStacy He said that...

A judge can't do his job because he's a "Mexican judge."
Jeb Bush supports illegal immigration because his wife is Mexican.
The Squad should "go back to their countries."
Somalians cause crime.
Immigration has destroyed Paris.
He lied about seeing "thousands and thousands" of Arabs celebrating 9/11 on TV.
He pretended not to know David Duke so he wouldn't have to condemn him after his endorsement.

And this is all just from on the spot memory. If I took some time, I'm sure I can remember more racist things he said or did.

TBH, I don't know for sure if Trump is racist, but he definitely says racist things because he knows that's what his cultists like.
Yes, because Jim Crow racism never really left the culture there. Of course there's racism everywhere, but there are definitely different forms depending on the region and culture.
Hem1ock · 26-30, M
It’s definitely a bit worse. In Vegas, nobody cared about interracial relationships. Back in Florida, people have staring problems, sometimes glaring problems, but are too chickenshit to say anything, even if you ask what the problem is. The common language of some of the old timers uses the hard-R a lot, in a ton of different phrases. It’s just a different world down here when it comes to race and the echoes of the past.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Hem1ock Las Vegas was a Jim Crow town.
Hem1ock · 26-30, M
@Diotrephes that very well may be the case. But it’s by far the most diverse and tolerant town I’ve lived in or visited, in the current day.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Yes. Down [b]South[/b] it's more hidden less systemic than the [b]North. [/b] I think that's because of the history and not wanting to be portrayed in a negative light. But up [b]North[/b], it's more apparent. You have states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin that carry a lot of [b]Jim Crow [/b] energy. Certain neighborhoods are deeply segregated. The police departments in those places are much more intrusive. There's a lot of clannishness. A lot of open out angry White Americans who are dealing with the same stuff that the South did during the Civil Rights era. It's changed. Most of the racial events down [b]South[/b] are few and far in between and are mainly isolated incidents. That's my take on this as a [b]Black[/b] American male. 🙂 🇺🇲
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Zonuss And you have a lot of [b] interracial [/b] couples down [b]South[/b] nowadays. Even in places where you would not believe. 🙂
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Zonuss There have always been interracial couples. It has generally been illegal and, in the 1920s, a KKK woman wanted to make it a death sentence. She would have lynched Thomas Jefferson.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
That’s what Biden and the democrats want people to believe. Does racism exist? Yes, no doubt and it’s not just in the south. Is it wide spread and enacted by laws? No.
Avocadorable · 26-30, F
As a Hispanic woman who grew up in Texas, yes.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Avocadorable Hispanic aint a race
Avocadorable · 26-30, F
@Slade you’re right it’s an ethnicity, doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced intense discrimination in my life
Slade · 56-60, M
@Avocadorable define intense
Jim Crow era racism? Who told you this? Go into any restaurant or store in the South and you will see blacks, whites, Latinos, interracial people, just like in any other part of the country. Please don't listen to fake sh-t people try to brainwash you with.
@CactusJackManson That’s truer than it was, but there are still areas where it’s custom even though it’s no longer legal.
SW-User
I think it depends on where in the south, there are nasty pockets but in my travels I've found it was worse in the Midwest than in the south. With that being said most of my time in the south has been in the cities and not rural deep south where I think it's probably the worst
well. lets just say things are different "when nobody is looking"
there are still sundown towns.
@Slade https://justice.tougaloo.edu/sundown-towns/using-the-sundown-towns-database/state-map/
@Slade so now you LIKE attribution? seems when i ask for it.
some people get all defensive.
i will quote such persons
[b]do your own research [/b]
@latinbutterfly thank you Lady Bug!
I never heard the N word used in regular conversation until I started visiting in-laws (now ex in-laws) in North Carolina. Not Jim Crow but shows how comfortably ingrained into Southern Culture it can be.
Carissimi · F
You should ask a Democrat, as they know more about this than anyone, seeing as they were the racists during this era. The KKK were Democrats, and even though the Left likes to call white supremacists “the right,” they are actually on the Left. All you need to do is listen to Richard Spencer, to know their ideology aligns with the Democrats, not Conservatives. However, the Left always projects their own values (or lack of) onto the Right, just as they have with racism.
@Carissimi In 2022 though, Republicans dominate the Southern United States. Let's think in terms of the present 🤷‍♀️.
Slade · 56-60, M
@latinbutterfly Proving the Klan has no influence there. Or they'd vote Democrat
exexec · 61-69, C
I was raised in Georgia and moved to Southeast Texas. Racism exists both places, but when I return to my hometown in Georgia, it is much worse. I am very uncomfortable there.
Marceline · F
everyone is racist... but the difference seems to be that in the southern usa is that people are openly proud of their racism and not a little bit ashamed
Slade · 56-60, M
You just happened to hear that, so now you have an excuse to make a bullshit proclamation, eh?

Jim Crow are laws enforcing racism. They haven't existed for a long time.

But you really didn't know that?🙄
@Slade Read what I said again, because I did not say anything like that 😂.
Slade · 56-60, M
@latinbutterfly Jim Crow is a system of laws to enforce discrimination.

To answer your Q: no they don't exist there, or anywhere in America 😋
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Slade I assumed that you were an American.
Ducky · 31-35, F
Southern states still have the lowest literacy rates in the country, of course ignorance is going to be more prevalent in that region.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Ducky They also have the lowest % of whites in the populations.

Are you saying only white people can be literate?
Ducky · 31-35, F
@Slade I have nothing to say to you.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Ducky Quit while you're behind and don't make racist generalizations
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
I’ve heard Alabama is extra special that way.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
What does that even mean? 👀 following
Slade · 56-60, M
@DeluxedEdition They still are a minority. But listen to a pc liberal when he thinks he's among friendlies. They talk of the people they insist on championing like helpless, untrustworthy pets
Slade · 56-60, M
@latinbutterfly Hey, where's the nudity?😞
@Slade Sorry, I hit the button by accident 🤣.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
if anything, in the south racism is more open and honest. they showed and told world exactly what they thought and believed. still doesnt make it acceptable.
Chickie · F
I feel like America in general is just a racist country
@Chickie We've definitely taken some steps backwards in the past few years.
@latinbutterfly i sometimes wonder what they teach in school today if you dont know this stuff. i grew up in the 60s so i saw it and my mother worked for the war effort also. all this not that long ago.
empanadas · 31-35, M
Believe it or not, California had more Jim crow laws. Depends what part, southern Florida is basically the Spanish Caribbean or a tropical new York. The most blunt racism I faced was in California. I have lived in NYC, California and now Florida
@empanadas I definitely believe it. My parents bought a house in the suburbs in 1966, two years after it had been forced to integrate due to the Civil Rights Act. The [b]renters[/b] on either side of us broke their leases and moved out. I heard the realtor ask my father to keep us indoors while they showed prospective tenants the vacant houses. Pop smiled and nodded, then invited friends with children to come over the weekend of the showing. They put deck chairs on our front lawn and we all greeted the people brought to see the houses. The realtors were annoyed, but what could they do ? my folks owned our house.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@bijouxbroussard @empanadas I agree with tacobell that racism against Latinos in the parts of California I grew up, and particularly in the era I grew up, was quite blunt. But in general I would say the Jim Crow laws were more subtle, primarily in the racial redlining of real estate and de facto segregation of schools that many whites conveniently chose to be oblivious to. Very real, but not as "in your face" as clearly labeled separate drinking fountains and restrooms, or move to the back of the bus laws of the South.

I can relate to bijouxbroussard's story. When my brother sold his house in the Oakland hills about that same time I was appalled to hear him say he felt guilty selling to a Black couple and wanted to complete his relocation to Seattle quickly before his neighbors found out. When it came my turn to buy, I bought in the flat lands of Oakland, part of a re-integration of the neighborhood after the White flight. Needless to say, my brother and I were of different generations and different world views.
@dancingtongue My best friend’s family were among the first blacks to move into Montclair. Both of us have Louisiana roots, but unlike my family, her parents are younger than mine and were born in California.
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