it is so wild to me how a murdered pregnant woman is "double homicide",
but if she has an abortion, she has "elected to terminate a clump of cells."
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Matt85 · 36-40, M
BohemianBabe · M
BohemianBabe · M
@Elessar While I find the philosophical side of this debate interesting, like I mentioned earlier, this is really about politics.
So yeah, wherever we draw the line on when life or personhood begins, we need to consider things like this. That's why I think the question of late-term abortion is kinda a distraction.
So yeah, wherever we draw the line on when life or personhood begins, we need to consider things like this. That's why I think the question of late-term abortion is kinda a distraction.
missyann · 56-60
@Elessar A miscarriage means that an embryo or fetus is incompatible with life due to a genetic issue. No one has intentionally or deliberately chosen to kill an embryo or fetus..
The only time a woman can be charged for murder is when she tries to induce a miscarriage. This is called an induced abortion.
The only time a woman can be charged for murder is when she tries to induce a miscarriage. This is called an induced abortion.
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foldedunfolding · 41-45, F
@SW-User that is between you and God, and you will receive no judgement from me. it would not have been my choice, but i am not you.
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foldedunfolding · 41-45, F
Bearsfan67 · 56-60, M
IamCuriousBabe · 51-55, F
It's the difference between whether the unborn is wanted or not.
Once the pregnant woman enters the abortion clinic, that unborn is no longer defended.
Once the pregnant woman enters the abortion clinic, that unborn is no longer defended.
NerdyPotato · M
Agreed. If the pregnancy is in a stage it's not even visible from the outside, it should be a single homicide.
NerdyPotato · M
@foldedunfolding I hadn't, but did some searching. There's a couple of concerning statements about fraud with documentation and alternative methods of abortion. The way procedures are done should obviously be well regulated and enforced. There were also some very late abortions, but that's what you get when early ones are banned in half the country and it takes time to get it elsewhere.
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NerdyPotato · M
@TheEmperor that's a false equivalency, for starters because there's no big lobby to ban guns, only to regulate them. And people advocating for reproductive rights aren't asking for it to be unregulated.
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Simple -- the double homicide charge can be used to punish the murderer to a greater extent and to inflame the passions of the jury.
Elessar · 26-30, M
It should be single homicide then.
Fetuses don't have legal personhood, last I checked.
Fetuses don't have legal personhood, last I checked.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
Last time I checked Killers don't ask for consent.
Imagine.
*Door rings*
"Hii Excuse me, I'm Jake, I'm a serial killer and I just wondered if you are interested in being murdered tonight?"
Woman: "No, sorry. I'm pregnant. "
Killer: "Oh my gosh! Congratulations! Do you know the sex yet? We must toast to your belly! Also. I'm totally fine with you not wanting to die. Do you have any female friend who might be suicidal?"
Imagine.
*Door rings*
"Hii Excuse me, I'm Jake, I'm a serial killer and I just wondered if you are interested in being murdered tonight?"
Woman: "No, sorry. I'm pregnant. "
Killer: "Oh my gosh! Congratulations! Do you know the sex yet? We must toast to your belly! Also. I'm totally fine with you not wanting to die. Do you have any female friend who might be suicidal?"
Renaci · 36-40
The law is always trying to find ways to make crime XYZ the worst it can possibly be in order to get the maximum possible punishment. It was a tactic of those old tough on crime stances that just became part of the culture over time.
Cause if X person did the heinous crime of jaywalking, a tough on crime legal-ite could also hit them with public endangerment, wonton disregard for public safety, attempted insurance fraud and a good lawyer could say X was trying to commit suicide and thus slap on attempted murder of the self as well. Cause there are instances where people have tried to make suicide punishable by death.
It's all about maximum harm.
Cause if X person did the heinous crime of jaywalking, a tough on crime legal-ite could also hit them with public endangerment, wonton disregard for public safety, attempted insurance fraud and a good lawyer could say X was trying to commit suicide and thus slap on attempted murder of the self as well. Cause there are instances where people have tried to make suicide punishable by death.
It's all about maximum harm.