@cherokeepatti I never liked going to school. I still remember crying all the way to school for the first time. And on the last day in university, after the final examinations, I burned all my textbooks and lecture notes.

@sree251 I didn’t mind going at first but being confined in a large square room and having to sit in one place for a long time without getting up and moving around….it’s just not natural.

@cherokeepatti Yes, school is not natural. In traditional cultures, kids learn by helping their parents doing work for a living. They become farmers - naturally - like their parents working on the farm. Going out to sea with your parents to get fish turn kids into fishermen seamlessly.

Our way of life is no longer natural. There is no way a kid can become an airline pilot through helping dad as co-pilot flying from New York to Paris in a Boeing 737. Flying is not natural.

@DunningKruger Look, we are not natural. You hit the nail on the head pinning down intent as not natural. Intent is an act of will directed to accomplish a goal. When a cheetah triangulates its trajectory to close in on its prey, is there intent at play? Or is that natural reflex, a mindless reaction?

@sree251 Of course a cheetah has intent. His intent is to run down that impala and have dinner. The cheetah makes choices such as whether to make a go for it or not, to go left instead of right and so on and so forth. The cheetah is driven by primal need — we've all got to eat — and influenced by his innate physical capabilities. And certainly his conscious thinking about the situation does not resemble what a human would do. But it's certain a creature with some degree of free will executing his ability to make a choice.

@DunningKruger I am not a cheetah. I wouldn't know if intent, as we know it, is at play for animals. They seem to driven by stimuli in the natural world. When it chases down prey, its heart speeds up to drive more oxygen for firing the muscles in its body. Is there intent here also?

@sree251 You can get forms free online and in government offices. Ministry of Transortation. Power of Attorney for an individusl not a government agency. Pick a caring not greedy person. Do not feed the sharks ie lawyers. Everyone seems to like her pie...many fingers grabbing her money.

@PoetryNEmotion Yup, they all want the money. Even your first born son/daughter wants the money. How do you feel about that?

@sree251 No, he does not. He lives a more simple life than me even. Some people are raised right. Others grow to be selfish bastards.

@bijouxbroussard You don't get it, do you? There is no "BEFORE". In the beginning at birth, there was nothing. Then, dad and mom say, "let there be light", and there was light. The rest is a horror of a human being created in their likeness.

@sree251 You assume that if someone disagrees with you, it’s because they don’t understand ? That’s not always the case. It [b]is[/b] possible to just see the world differently. 🤨

@bijouxbroussard Sorry, I don't mean to be obnoxious in a two-way conversation and speaking down to you. The baby is a blank sheet of paper until that mom and dad start scrawling on it. We are the expression of our culture that drives our consciousness. The baby is an unformmated hard drive.

@sree251 Sorry, but "old age is not natural" screams ageism to me, as well as blaming older people for [i]clogging the pipes[/i] (in your view). The older you get, the older you will likely get. Just because someone stays relatively healthy by available means and lives longer doesn't make them the issue.

@Uncfred I have not voted in any election in my life. When I was younger, it was just disinterest. After university, when I started working and paying taxes, I felt a sense of responsibility. I needed to know what I was contributing to. Why was the national debt so high? What was going on in Congress? Can't they manage the budget of the richest country in the world? The debt clock, and the nerve-wrecking time the nation had to go thru year after year to deal with that same damn crisis. The more I looked into how the government worked, the more aware and disgusted I became. The system doesn't work. Not the way it was supposed to. Government by the people can't work. No way. This is why we have crooked elected officials aided by corrupt bureaucrats stealing public funds, not just in Washington DC but all the way down to the State Capitols and local Village Halls. Even the judiciary, that third branch of government providing the check and balance smells as bad as the other two.

You are older than me. How could you lived through this chicanery? We don't have a country. It's all smoke and mirrors.

@GeniUs I would consider that mercy killing.

@sree251 I guess my feelings are in a way analogous to yours in that I would say that intellectually challenged people with poor and simplistic takes should just be put out to pasture rather than someone who is born poor and/or utilizes technological advancements to simply live.

@Turtlepower You have highlighted a rationale that is driving our unnatural way of life: longevity. The financial capability to prolong life regardless of the quality of life.

@CountScrofula Well, just because there were old people since the dawn of recorded history doesn't prove that old age is natural. People are like leaves that turn brown and shrivel up but just won't fall off the branches to the ground. This is just not natural.

@sree251 Got it so destroy all medicine. But keep the iphones.

@CountScrofula The telephone is not natural. We have got to live within shouting distance of one another. Small communities like villages of a few hundred people at most. Messengers on foot to deliver messages. Just picture this scenario and you can see how far down the tubes we have gone going unnatural. A city of 20 million is nuts. It breeds crooked politicians and violent crime.

@SubstantialKick We should not be in control of how long we live. Let the body decide. If it doesn't even when you are running out of money and no longer financially viable, you need to shut it down.

@Bearsfan67 You raised another thing that is not natural about us: wearing clothes. Old age and wearing clothes are not natural.

@Lackwittyname Jetliners are repaired as long as the cost to do so is worth the return of investment. What is the economic value to keeping you alive?

@sree251 Contributions back to society, and not everyone gets repaired

@Lackwittyname What contributions? You pay taxes that go to pay mainly 1. healthcare, 2. social security,and 3. foreign wars. 1 and 2 are for old people that no longer contribute.

@EarthlingWise Don't be shock. A lot about us is not natural. We are essentially out on a limb and don't know it.

@EarthlingWise Ms Wise always has a witty answer 🥔🥴

@Thevy29 Are you a Bible reader?

@sree251 read some of those when I was a kid.
I just find histories fascinating. There are a few older cultures that report longer life spans in the past.

@BigImo The ability to speak is facilitated by language through the use of words. How does this ability arise? If a newborn child was raised in a laboratory without words, it would still be able to "speak" to communicate with its "dumb" caretakers through sign language. Signs are symbols associated with things. Therefore, the ability to perceive things is necessary for development of the ability to speak. Both abilities are coincident. They arise together. Am I right?

Wow, thanks for this post. It made my day.

@Musicman I know. I would have checked out long ago when I realized that there was no purpose to living. That realization was not brought about by a sad situation. I wasn't suffering depression. It was a discovery I had through reflective inquiry.

Everyone is driven by a sense of purpose. When you are a kid, your purpose is to do cool things with your friends. Around the age of ten is when purpose in life begins. Teenage is the time when purpose become more intense with a heightened sense of self. Infatuation with someone drives the need to be accepted in return. This need drives the impetus of purpose to be a master of the universe as the richest man in the world or the most powerful idiot in government.

Purpose is distraction. It keeps you focused on something, anything but the truth that there is no purpose in life. Is there any purpose in pushing shit uphill? You may believe that you are living for the first time as yourself. Are you living any different from everybody else since time began? I know, you would think it's great to be the 47th US President even though the idiot doing this gig for the 46th time has created more shit for the next clown to push uphill.

Now that I have discovered that I have no purpose anymore than my heart has in beating to a steady tempo to keep the body alive, I just do as my heart does, tend the body till it's lights out. Hopefully, it won't be until my teeth falls out.

@leftsw What mankind? Do you mean you and me and the other 8 billion people making each other feel like losers in a messed up world? How are we part of what the sun, moon, and stars are doing? They seem to be going one way to keep the balance of nature while we are going the other way wrecking everything.

Nicole, you need to get serious here.

@metaldog Progress at what cost in terms of a stressful existence plagued by conflict and wars?

@sree251 stress and conflict have always existed...hopefully the next level is a move away from that ✨

@metaldog Next level is going to be worse. As Steve Jobs said, look back at where we came from and connect the dots. Our stress level is trending upwards. The last 50 years was when we seemed to have stepped on the gas.

@Allelse What has using technology got to do with dying in a timely manner? The body will die naturally regardless of your lifestyle.

@Adogslife Selection, as you mean it, may be true for folks who are in a position to choose to isolate themselves from the lifestyle of the masses trapped like lemmings in conventional society. Exercise hard and eat properly, you say. I couldn't do that some ten years ago as a shit hot young professional in a Fortune 500 company climbing the stairway to the stars. Even then, I heard what you are saying: exercise and eat properly. After a hectic day in the office, I head for the company gym in the same building. I never felt that it was smart running on the treadmill and maintaining a 135 bpm heart rate for 40 minutes with my mind still working hard on matters in the office. I decided to change my schedule. I hit the treadmill first thing in the morning at 6.30 am and, after a good workout, waltz into my office a little before 8 am. It was well and good if I didn't have to leave the office on company business which saw me flying across the country at least once a week. Overnight trips were rare. On average it was more like two days out of town. It wasn't long before the morning gym sessions went out the window. You either commit yourself to the company or to your body. I made my choice. I quit.

Tell me, how many young professional would choose to dump a hot career for health of the body? What about the other 99% of people who don't have a choice and working to death keeping their shirts on their back and roofs over their wife and kids? These days, even the wives are doing the same shit to help with family survival. Stress levels are off the charts, and the body is kept going with medications. Do I sound like I am giving a wrong take on life out there in the real world?

Healthy and fit as you and I are, and protected from falling prey to beasts (discounting those of the human kind), we can go on living till our bodies fall apart. Did you have cataracts work done on you to keep you from going half blind? Hearing ok? From here on in, you are going to need propping up by modern medicine even if your heart just won't go on beating. Is that natural? Why would you want to go on living? What is it about this life that you are attached to?

@thewindupbirdchronicles Dying younger is not natural either. There is a time to die, and we should not call 911 to mess with that regardless of age. Just get out when the body wants to go. It's cruel to ride a horse regardless of its condition. It's the same with the body.

@sree251 I can't agree with your logic, sorry. Though it reads as of someone sad who doesn't know what to make of life.

@thewindupbirdchronicles Your are right. I really don't know what to make of life. I mean it. It's a mystery to me. What makes it horrible is that we are all trap in a frightening reality. Whatever for? You have a good reason why you are alive? Tell me.

@heavyone2 What drove you up that tree? It couldn't have been a natural cause, could it? An old man in a tree is like water running uphill.

@sree251 Popping ones clogs is kicking the bucket, but not suicide.
What about proverbial 3 score years and ten (70), but you hope to duck out early? Do your kinfolk know?
I wonder if SW will still be running in 15 years time, if so you will have a chance to recant your views.
Good health to you fella.

@Uncfred Seems like you like being alive, Fred. You are inured to the human misery around you. You remind me of my time at university in Glasgow. Friday nights, there were fights outside pubs. I was walking through the streets back to my hostel. Scared me shitless when I saw people getting kicked in the head. We kill each other for one good reason or another.

@sree251 Glasgow is unique in its treatment of mankind, especially around Barlinnie and Toll Cross, and I am whitness.

@TexChik I don't. I came back from abroad just before Covid broke out in December 2019 and never flew again, not even domestically. I self isolated and never took the vaccines. No vaccination even as a baby. Mom thought it was crazy to vaccinate a perfectly healthy baby. I was delivered at home with the assistance of a mid-wife. Mom has always eschewed modern medicine and relied on homeopathy. She sees value in eating healthy organic food, Indian spices, and Chinese herbs. I never had a tummy ache or headache in my entire life. She didn't know how bad a Covid infection could get and imported a batch of ivermectin from India.

@sree251 The ivermectin cure for covid is a fact, but there are some very useful vaccines (polio, smallpox, MMR, Tetanus) , not that mRNA crap Fauci poured out for us.

@TexChik I know. Look, modern medicine is not all bad. It's best to live wisely and avoid the need to take any drugs that have side effects. Modern science is not as big a deal as we think it is. Nature is truly magical and our bodies must not be tampered with or violated if at all possible. Some folks are blessed with good health despite living our unnatural way of life. Should people in their 60's get a cataract operation when their vision is impaired? Absolutely.

With regard to the Fauci matter, it's a travesty what happened to the world. God knows what the effect Covid and those vaccines would have on humans from here on in for generations to come. The youtube in the link below could be interesting if you have not seen it already.

https://rumble.com/v2ncp8w-dr-david-e.-martin-phd-covid-summit-european-union-parliament-may-2023.html

@Entwistle Philosophical wise guy. I wish you a long life.

@WintaTheAngle see how you feel 40years from now

@SW-User If I get there 👍🏻

@MorbidCynic I wish I could, naturally. I have been reflecting on this. The best way to go is heart failure while the body is still healthy. You pass out in your sleep and never wake up again. Painless. Any other way is going to be nasty. Cancer is the pits. I think the high incidence of cancers are caused by modern medicine: birth control bills, routine preventive vaccinations pushed by Big Pharma, painkillers, antibiotics for farm animals. Then, there are the chemical fertilizers and pesticides that go into our industrially grown produce.

How do you reckon you are going to die?

@AnonymousJSS What are your reasons?