Old age is not natural.

@Murmurs Well that is his point, you should be dead

@Lackwittyname I'm not sure that [i]is[/i] a point.

@Murmurs Well just saying that is the point this person is getting at, not sure if you read my response further down to the OP, but basically yes, we have naturally developed unnatural ways to extend life and that is the product of natural evolution.

@Murmurs a doctor told me that deer will usually die young due to high cortisol levels. They are always in a fight or flight mode even in nature. Told her that someone found deer at the lake that looked like it had just keeled over and died. No injuries and very healthy weight on him

@cherokeepatti Look, just to clear all doubts as to what my point is, let me spit it out without hemming and hawing.

We have created a way of life that is - in every way - unnatural. A human being is supposed to move around walking on his own two legs meant for locomotion. Why we need to get on the horse, invent the car and airplane is a simple question. This need has caused the invention of a lifestyle that may be natural to us but not natural for the human body. Therefore, there is a disconnect between the body, which is not artificial, and us. Since we did not invent ourselves, it follows logic to conclude that we too are a natural phenomenon. So, it is this need - to move out of sync with the body - that has created a world of old people. And this world is not a natural one.

@sree251 Oh I agree with you about this. In some cultures older people stay busy well into their senior years. They garden and do tasks and don’t even have a word for retirement. Children also are involved in outdoor activities and learn from adults to work and do chores, they keep their minds busy. And many cultures rise with the sun and also sleep not long after sundown giving them more rest to recharge during the shorter months of the year. Plus when people walk around outdoors barefoot they can get a type of energy that helps heal and recharge them. There are some cultures where it’’s common to come home for lunch and take an hour nap afterward. That is energizing. And they walk around in the evenings if they live in cities for miles to get out of the house or apartment, probably go for miles every night after dark in warm months when it’s cooled down. And being surrounded by green spaces and working outdoors in gardens and farms is a healthier lifestyle if not a lot of chemicals are involved.

@cherokeepatti You seem to sense the danger of harm to the body forced to live a life that is not consistent with its nature. It is like putting horses and oxen to work. Race horses are ridden to a pace where they literally die on the tracks.

@sree251 I used to sit in class in 6th grade and look out the window of a prefab building where we went to take English classes. The teacher would be asking questions and always call on me. I would slowly turn my head toward her and answer. I was hearing everything but my eyes were looking outside at the trees & green grass…it relaxed me. School was mostly confining and stressful for me to sit indoors all day long when I wanted to be outdoors.

@cherokeepatti You remind me of J. Krishnamurti. He was always distracted in class preferring to watch ants crawling in a trail up the classroom wall. Oftentimes his teacher would slap his jaw shut when it went slack because he got spacey.

@sree251 I was always listening to the teacher but my eyes were on better scenery

@cherokeepatti I never liked going to school. I still remember crying all the way to school for the first time. And on the last day in university, after the final examinations, I burned all my textbooks and lecture notes.

@sree251 I didn’t mind going at first but being confined in a large square room and having to sit in one place for a long time without getting up and moving around….it’s just not natural.

@cherokeepatti Yes, school is not natural. In traditional cultures, kids learn by helping their parents doing work for a living. They become farmers - naturally - like their parents working on the farm. Going out to sea with your parents to get fish turn kids into fishermen seamlessly.

Our way of life is no longer natural. There is no way a kid can become an airline pilot through helping dad as co-pilot flying from New York to Paris in a Boeing 737. Flying is not natural.