You think liberals are nice? I am looking at Jimmy Kimmel. He has an underwear clad Trump sitting on a John in a jail cell. Zero brains. Totally lib.
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MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
Fascists are people who want the government to own and run private business. Since republicans want the exact opposite, only people who don't know about political systems will call republicans fascists.
I can see how you feel about being ugly. You like it, so don't go pouting about me being ugly to you.
I'm looking at the AD-NORC poll on tv. 64% of the American public think bidumb's economic policy is shit, which it is. It is bad for regular people. He has a 34% support level for his policies.
Maybe you people could read some stuff that is not communists propaganda for a change.
WSJ says this AM that the spy balloon over the US right now is full of American equipment. And, the House of Representatives Oversight committee say bank records totaling 16 million dollars have been deposited into bidumb family accounts..
And, you don't like Trump!
The news says this AM that the university of Buffalo has excluded white children from attending their summer law school program!
I can see how you feel about being ugly. You like it, so don't go pouting about me being ugly to you.
I'm looking at the AD-NORC poll on tv. 64% of the American public think bidumb's economic policy is shit, which it is. It is bad for regular people. He has a 34% support level for his policies.
Maybe you people could read some stuff that is not communists propaganda for a change.
WSJ says this AM that the spy balloon over the US right now is full of American equipment. And, the House of Representatives Oversight committee say bank records totaling 16 million dollars have been deposited into bidumb family accounts..
And, you don't like Trump!
The news says this AM that the university of Buffalo has excluded white children from attending their summer law school program!
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BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Did you read that book? If so, give me a quick summary of Marxism.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe American Marxism, you meant to say
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Sure, if that's the kind you understand. Explain it to me, just like a quick summary.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@MarthannBann888 No, dumbass, that's just another bullshit story he tells you, and you swallow it hook, line, and sinker because that's easier than thinking for yourself.
JPWhoo · 36-40, M
@MarthannBann888 Like conservatives don’t do that too.
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@LordShadowfire
Oh really, shady fire? Do you deny that dc is 95% liberal? Do you deny the whole Russia hoax was a hoax? No charges. And,don't give me some unimportant shit just to argue and take the subject off how demoncrats have been so horrible?
You are quite the Stalinist. I bet you are really looking forward to lording over all of us dumbasses. Especially since we are not as good as you.
Oh really, shady fire? Do you deny that dc is 95% liberal? Do you deny the whole Russia hoax was a hoax? No charges. And,don't give me some unimportant shit just to argue and take the subject off how demoncrats have been so horrible?
You are quite the Stalinist. I bet you are really looking forward to lording over all of us dumbasses. Especially since we are not as good as you.
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CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@MarthannBann888
My problem with liberals is their total intolerance of even the slightest difference.
That is objectively false. What we do not tolerate is intolerance.Unfortunately, the liberal approach to politics has not changed since their founding in the 1820's or 1830's.
Another falsehood. The people who were calling themselves liberals in those days would refer to themselves as conservatives today.They made wild accusations about black men and their sexuality. They seemingly convinced much of the American public of their demeaning slander against black people.
That sounds to me like the Republican playbook of today.Now, let's look at today. Democrats have targeted republicans. The president has labeled the "far right" as the number one enemy of the country, with Trump at their head.
And rightly so. The former president has encouraged all manner of intolerance to which you appear to have your eyes closed.Many people are truly afraid of Trump.
Yes, and Ron DeSantis, and Adolf Hitler.Liberals have denied all of the good things that he did for the country.
Name five things. And do please provide documented evidence. I know how you lot tend to dissemble.
stratosranger · M
@MarthannBann888 Don’t bother replying to this fool. He gets everything wrong and will blather on and on with half baked rabbit hole illogic and talking points from CNN, which explains why he gets everything wrong.
graphite · 61-69, M
Kimmel has alienated most of his former audience with his kissing the bottoms of Democrats. His ratings are a fraction of what they once were. Kimmel, who dumped his first wife and the mother of his two oldest children for the vile Sarah Silverman, is in no position to moralize about anything. Never mind the stuff he did on "The Man Show"
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@LordShadowfire
I want duck, fucked duck! Make sure it's fucked, fuck it yourself. Mr. kkk. You know I am right!
I want duck, fucked duck! Make sure it's fucked, fuck it yourself. Mr. kkk. You know I am right!
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MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@Emosaur Soooo....you hate the people and not the policies.
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@MarthannBann888 claims
Nazi anti-socialism before WWII
On May 2, 1933, Adolf Hitler’s storm troopers occupied all trade union headquarters across Germany, and union leaders were arrested and put in prison or concentration camps. Many were beaten and tortured. All of the unions’ funds – in other words, the workers’ money – were confiscated. Former union officials were put on blacklists, preventing them from finding work.
The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic..[41] However, after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.[42] The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible.[43] State ownership was to be avoided unless it was absolutely necessary for rearmament or the war effort, and even in those cases "the Reich often insisted on the inclusion in the contract of an option clause according to which the private firm operating the plant was entitled to purchase it."[43]
In short: Hitler hated unions and loved privately owned industry - the polar opposite of what you said, @MarthannBann888
@MarthannBann888 says
See Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany
By GERMÀ BEL
http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf
Here's the abstract:
Fascists are people who want the government to own and run private business.
DEAD WRONG. Let's look at the historical record.Nazi anti-socialism before WWII
On May 2, 1933, Adolf Hitler’s storm troopers occupied all trade union headquarters across Germany, and union leaders were arrested and put in prison or concentration camps. Many were beaten and tortured. All of the unions’ funds – in other words, the workers’ money – were confiscated. Former union officials were put on blacklists, preventing them from finding work.
The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic..[41] However, after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.[42] The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible.[43] State ownership was to be avoided unless it was absolutely necessary for rearmament or the war effort, and even in those cases "the Reich often insisted on the inclusion in the contract of an option clause according to which the private firm operating the plant was entitled to purchase it."[43]
In short: Hitler hated unions and loved privately owned industry - the polar opposite of what you said, @MarthannBann888
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@MarthannBann888 says
I don't know what his source is,
See Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany
By GERMÀ BEL
http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf
Here's the abstract:
Nationalization was particularly important in the early 1930s in Germany. The state took over a large industrial concern, large commercial banks, and other minor firms. In the mid-1930s, the Nazi regime transferred public ownership to the private sector.
In doing so, they went against the mainstream trends in western capitalistic countries, none of which systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. Privatization was used as a political tool to enhance support for the government and for the Nazi Party. In addition, growing financial restrictions because of the cost of the rearmament programme provided additional motivations for privatization.
In doing so, they went against the mainstream trends in western capitalistic countries, none of which systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. Privatization was used as a political tool to enhance support for the government and for the Nazi Party. In addition, growing financial restrictions because of the cost of the rearmament programme provided additional motivations for privatization.
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@sunsporter1649 I agree Sun. I don't know what his source is, but it is bad.
ElwoodBlues · M
@MarthannBann888 Go ahead. Show us which businesses Hitler nationalized. Volkswagen was a private company; so was I.G. Farben. So was Vereinigte steelworks. So was Messerschmitt AG. And, as I pointed out, Hitler privatized Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, and shipping lines. See http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf
Go ahead. Show us the businesses that Hitler nationalized.
Go ahead. Show us the businesses that Hitler nationalized.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@MarthannBann888 This is actually what you need:
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
... It shows the big diffrence between NAZI and Italian Fascist decisions on an ecomic level.
The entire idea of Fascism, was to present themselves as a "3th way" between "free market capitalism" and "communism". There was still "private property" and fascists always argued in favor of "fascist corporatism" as an economical system. In catholic circles (example: Verdinaso) they argued for "Solidarism" ... at least a fascist interpretation of "solidarism" which was also a form of corporatism.
Even though this idea is wrong:
In practise though, you aren't completely wrong, because even though fascists only nationalised if it was in the interest of "the nation" , the idea of "private property" only excisted by grace of the state. In other words, if you were working for the national interest you were "free" to own property and keep doing what you do. If the state (nation) demands your compliance too achieve a national goal, and you were reluctant to do so. Then the illusion of having "private property" gets popped in favor of the states goals. You either get nationalised, bullied into compliance or your property will be annexed and granted/sold to someone who will comply with the states dictates. Because it's not communism neither is it free-market capitalism.
The reason why the economic ideas inside fascism are so difficult to explain too people... is because fascism doesn't embrace a fundamental idea on the economy. For them, the economy is just an means to an end. And the end is always too "strengthen" the nation. What ever the definition for "strength" is for he dictator in charge. Unlike liberals that attached themselves to the idea of free-market capitalism OR the communists and anarchists that build their entire idea around combatting the effects of capitalism, Fascism just aborts all of this, exactly because it's a far-right movement that aborts everything in the liberal/enlightenment sphere. The only thing that is important is that it's practical, serves the nation and doesn't create disharmony inside the nation. A nation, that fascists perceive as an organic body, that needs to function with a single mind to ensure it's survival amongst other hostile nations. Or as Mussolini said: "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”.
SOURCE: https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
... It shows the big diffrence between NAZI and Italian Fascist decisions on an ecomic level.
The entire idea of Fascism, was to present themselves as a "3th way" between "free market capitalism" and "communism". There was still "private property" and fascists always argued in favor of "fascist corporatism" as an economical system. In catholic circles (example: Verdinaso) they argued for "Solidarism" ... at least a fascist interpretation of "solidarism" which was also a form of corporatism.
Even though this idea is wrong:
Fascists are people who want the government to own and run private business.
In practise though, you aren't completely wrong, because even though fascists only nationalised if it was in the interest of "the nation" , the idea of "private property" only excisted by grace of the state. In other words, if you were working for the national interest you were "free" to own property and keep doing what you do. If the state (nation) demands your compliance too achieve a national goal, and you were reluctant to do so. Then the illusion of having "private property" gets popped in favor of the states goals. You either get nationalised, bullied into compliance or your property will be annexed and granted/sold to someone who will comply with the states dictates. Because it's not communism neither is it free-market capitalism.
The reason why the economic ideas inside fascism are so difficult to explain too people... is because fascism doesn't embrace a fundamental idea on the economy. For them, the economy is just an means to an end. And the end is always too "strengthen" the nation. What ever the definition for "strength" is for he dictator in charge. Unlike liberals that attached themselves to the idea of free-market capitalism OR the communists and anarchists that build their entire idea around combatting the effects of capitalism, Fascism just aborts all of this, exactly because it's a far-right movement that aborts everything in the liberal/enlightenment sphere. The only thing that is important is that it's practical, serves the nation and doesn't create disharmony inside the nation. A nation, that fascists perceive as an organic body, that needs to function with a single mind to ensure it's survival amongst other hostile nations. Or as Mussolini said: "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”.
[...] Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations. It does not believe in the possibility of “happiness” on earth as conceived by the economistic literature of the 18th century, and it therefore rejects the theological notion that at some future time the human family will secure a final settlement of all its difficulties. [...]
[...] No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.
[...] It may be objected that this program implies a return to the guilds (corporazioni). No matter! I therefore hope this assembly will accept the economic claims advanced by national syndicalism ….
[...] Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere. [...]
[...] “The Fascist State is not a night watchman, solicitous only of the personal safety of the citizens; not is it organized exclusively for the purpose of guarantying a certain degree of material prosperity and relatively peaceful conditions of life, a board of directors would do as much. Neither is it exclusively political, divorced from practical realities and holding itself aloof from the multifarious activities of the citizens and the nation. The State, as conceived and realized by Fascism, is a spiritual and ethical entity for securing the political, juridical, and economic organization of the nation, an organization which in its origin and growth is a manifestation of the spirit. The State guarantees the internal and external safety of the country, but it also safeguards and transmits the spirit of the people, elaborated down the ages in its language, its customs, its faith. The State is not only the present; it is also the past and above all the future. Transcending the individual’s brief spell of life, the State stands for the immanent conscience of the nation. The forms in which it finds expression change, but the need for it remains. The State educates the citizens to civism, makes them aware of their mission, urges them to unity; its justice harmonizes their divergent interests; it transmits to future generations the conquests of the mind in the fields of science, art, law, human solidarity; it leads men up from primitive tribal life to that highest manifestation of human power, imperial rule. The State hands down to future generations the memory of those who laid down their lives to ensure its safety or to obey its laws; it sets up as examples and records for future ages the names of the captains who enlarged its territory and of the men of genius who have made it famous. Whenever respect for the State declines and the disintegrating and centrifugal tendencies of individuals and groups prevail, nations are headed for decay.”
- B. Mussolini (& G. Gentile), The Doctrine of Fascism (1932)
[...] No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.
[...] It may be objected that this program implies a return to the guilds (corporazioni). No matter! I therefore hope this assembly will accept the economic claims advanced by national syndicalism ….
[...] Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere. [...]
[...] “The Fascist State is not a night watchman, solicitous only of the personal safety of the citizens; not is it organized exclusively for the purpose of guarantying a certain degree of material prosperity and relatively peaceful conditions of life, a board of directors would do as much. Neither is it exclusively political, divorced from practical realities and holding itself aloof from the multifarious activities of the citizens and the nation. The State, as conceived and realized by Fascism, is a spiritual and ethical entity for securing the political, juridical, and economic organization of the nation, an organization which in its origin and growth is a manifestation of the spirit. The State guarantees the internal and external safety of the country, but it also safeguards and transmits the spirit of the people, elaborated down the ages in its language, its customs, its faith. The State is not only the present; it is also the past and above all the future. Transcending the individual’s brief spell of life, the State stands for the immanent conscience of the nation. The forms in which it finds expression change, but the need for it remains. The State educates the citizens to civism, makes them aware of their mission, urges them to unity; its justice harmonizes their divergent interests; it transmits to future generations the conquests of the mind in the fields of science, art, law, human solidarity; it leads men up from primitive tribal life to that highest manifestation of human power, imperial rule. The State hands down to future generations the memory of those who laid down their lives to ensure its safety or to obey its laws; it sets up as examples and records for future ages the names of the captains who enlarged its territory and of the men of genius who have made it famous. Whenever respect for the State declines and the disintegrating and centrifugal tendencies of individuals and groups prevail, nations are headed for decay.”
- B. Mussolini (& G. Gentile), The Doctrine of Fascism (1932)
SOURCE: https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf
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@MarthannBann888 We know that when Trump consults with his lawyers and they tell him something is illegal, he asks different lawyers until he finds one that says it's not.
If Biden and Pence should be held accountable for stealing documents, then so should your orange lord and savior. And of course you don't address the fact that those two returned the documents immediately while Trump lied about having his and only gave them up when the FBI raided his compound. It's like he stole a million dollar diamond and not only didn't return it, but claimed he didn't have it. Of course, to you he's the Second Coming of Christ, so he's innocent no matter what. He could wipe his ass on the Constitution and you'd say he improved it.
If Biden and Pence should be held accountable for stealing documents, then so should your orange lord and savior. And of course you don't address the fact that those two returned the documents immediately while Trump lied about having his and only gave them up when the FBI raided his compound. It's like he stole a million dollar diamond and not only didn't return it, but claimed he didn't have it. Of course, to you he's the Second Coming of Christ, so he's innocent no matter what. He could wipe his ass on the Constitution and you'd say he improved it.
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@MarthannBann888
There is no one on earth that does not get mad when they are lied to.
You mean the way you lie about the veracity of my statements?
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@CorvusBlackthorne
I am mad because you are lying, and you are mad because you think I am lying. If you ever start comparing stories from news, you are going to be very mad.
I am mad because you are lying, and you are mad because you think I am lying. If you ever start comparing stories from news, you are going to be very mad.
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Gloomy · F
No liberals are only a tiny little bit better than conservatives but they always end up siding with fascism and are capitalist through and trough.
The only real difference between Dems and Republicans is the "culture war"
The only real difference between Dems and Republicans is the "culture war"
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@MarthannBann888 Don't think so?? Go on Amazon and type in Clinton murders.
Gloomy · F
@MarthannBann888 Clinton? The capitalist pig
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@Gloomy
Just remember, Gloom, your people are so much worse. Socialists/communists are hands down the most prolific mass murderers in history. It is really embarrassing when you demonstrate so little knowledge of your own movement. You have read only their lies and the classic and real books written by real people who have suffered go ignored. Then, you call people who yearn for freedom to do their own thing pigs. The multinationals who actually come closer to pigs, but are not so murderous, at all, as the socialists/communists lurk in the background.
Just remember, Gloom, your people are so much worse. Socialists/communists are hands down the most prolific mass murderers in history. It is really embarrassing when you demonstrate so little knowledge of your own movement. You have read only their lies and the classic and real books written by real people who have suffered go ignored. Then, you call people who yearn for freedom to do their own thing pigs. The multinationals who actually come closer to pigs, but are not so murderous, at all, as the socialists/communists lurk in the background.
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MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@allygator18 Fine! YOU say what i will keep quiet. Only YOU have free speech.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
ole wonky eye is the epitome of sell out.
....and now, girls jumping on trampolines..
....and now, girls jumping on trampolines..
Trump committed 34 felonies… how is this liberals fault?????
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Wonky eye doth protest too much..
And now… girls jumping on trampolines
And now… girls jumping on trampolines
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@TrashCat But this is what you would put your faith in? Or, you think you are living without faith?
TrashCat · M
@MarthannBann888 I choose reality over wishes and dreams.
Here's a great Idea,nimrod... invest your life savings in powerball and have faith you'll win
Here's a great Idea,nimrod... invest your life savings in powerball and have faith you'll win
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@TrashCat
If you try dying!
If you try dying!
Trump deserves prison, but the proper people must decide.
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@leftsw
Are you talking about the pres and his henchman? Yeah let the traitors administer justice. The ones on the China payroll.
Are you talking about the pres and his henchman? Yeah let the traitors administer justice. The ones on the China payroll.
UndeadSona · F
Being nice is gay, trust me I'm an expert
SnailTeeth · 36-40, M
What is a liberal? lol
Do you think ppl are born into political tribes, and form their identities around this shit?
I don't understand how your brain works.
Do you think ppl are born into political tribes, and form their identities around this shit?
I don't understand how your brain works.
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@SnailTeeth Bold of you to assume it does.
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SW-User
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
Do please tell us all about how nice Donald Trump is, sir.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@Emosaur I think Liberals get a bad rap. I will take a classic Liberal, like JFK, over the current
crop of Socialist/Progressives any day. Unfortunately most Democrats have been moving
far, far left, without knowing it. FYI, Today a Liberal like JFK would be labeled a far right
extremist. Could you imagine a left winger EVER saying "Ask not what your country can
do for you"? The Democrat party has been saying the opposite for decades. Their entire
existence is wrapped around giving people what ever they want, as long as they get
their vote.
crop of Socialist/Progressives any day. Unfortunately most Democrats have been moving
far, far left, without knowing it. FYI, Today a Liberal like JFK would be labeled a far right
extremist. Could you imagine a left winger EVER saying "Ask not what your country can
do for you"? The Democrat party has been saying the opposite for decades. Their entire
existence is wrapped around giving people what ever they want, as long as they get
their vote.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@DogMan He's very explicitly talking about classic liberals, largely about how they betray left-wing movements after being false allies.
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