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SomeMichGuy · M
@Tigerstripe
It isn't the brain, it is the mind.
I can't conceive of it, myself, but I have always felt like a male, and I have male genitalia.
I don't know what goes into creating our sense of sexual self, which may differ somewhat from person to person, but for you to say that your own, personal experience trumps any others' varied experiences is the highest form of hubris.
I don't know what it is like, but my ignorance is not proof of its non-existence. Nor is yours.
I think that this is something where you have to talk with those who feel/believe a different way in order to try to understand it, but you have to give them their own personhood, and accept that they might well feel as strongly about their internal sense of who they are as you do and as I do.
that old lie. Challenge any scientist to take a brain and put in the male or female pile. Stop spreading rubbish propaganda.
It isn't the brain, it is the mind.
I can't conceive of it, myself, but I have always felt like a male, and I have male genitalia.
I don't know what goes into creating our sense of sexual self, which may differ somewhat from person to person, but for you to say that your own, personal experience trumps any others' varied experiences is the highest form of hubris.
I don't know what it is like, but my ignorance is not proof of its non-existence. Nor is yours.
I think that this is something where you have to talk with those who feel/believe a different way in order to try to understand it, but you have to give them their own personhood, and accept that they might well feel as strongly about their internal sense of who they are as you do and as I do.
Tigerstripe · 41-45
@SomeMichGuy I believe that someone in their mind may feel the opposite sex and gender. Generally what it boils down to is the person has a set of sexual stereotypes, or worse in some cases, a exaggerated stereotype of the opposite sex
That's fine. I don't even mind cos play of my gender. But when it comes to the misogyny of insisting women give up their places to men, or the cultural language we've embraced for millenia to suit a bunch of brittle, mentally unwell bullies - no way
There are many trans people who are not ashamed of the fact that they aren't and never will be biologically female. Jenner is one who recognises biological males shouldn't be competing with females. And Jenner has been abused and denigrated for that position, which just goes to show how malignant, hateful, illogical and entitled the radical anti- women trans crusaders are as well as their DIMPS
That's fine. I don't even mind cos play of my gender. But when it comes to the misogyny of insisting women give up their places to men, or the cultural language we've embraced for millenia to suit a bunch of brittle, mentally unwell bullies - no way
There are many trans people who are not ashamed of the fact that they aren't and never will be biologically female. Jenner is one who recognises biological males shouldn't be competing with females. And Jenner has been abused and denigrated for that position, which just goes to show how malignant, hateful, illogical and entitled the radical anti- women trans crusaders are as well as their DIMPS
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Carla · 61-69, F
@MarmeeMarch yes.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Definitely.
Just the other day, I saw two women out walking without their red cloaks. And Goody Margaret, just after having her 14th little one, had the temerity to get all high-falutin' dressy and parade around town with her family.
Women these days walk around screaming n' whining about all kinds of lunacy. "I want to be treated equally." "My body belongs to me." "I'm allowed to love who I want." "Pay me equally for the exact same job."
And the young ones, parading around with all that self-confidence and insight, all ready at the drop of a hat to go off meetin' people and livin' and enjoying the same freedoms as men. Thinking their in charge of their futures.
What we need is a council of men, mostly old and definitely white, to help mansplain the world for us and keep us safe through penalty and oppression. It's for our own good, after all. We'll let them make all kinds of laws and it won't matter whether they make sense 'cause they'll be especially for us womenfolk. You know, to keep us where we belong.
Just the other day, I saw two women out walking without their red cloaks. And Goody Margaret, just after having her 14th little one, had the temerity to get all high-falutin' dressy and parade around town with her family.
Women these days walk around screaming n' whining about all kinds of lunacy. "I want to be treated equally." "My body belongs to me." "I'm allowed to love who I want." "Pay me equally for the exact same job."
And the young ones, parading around with all that self-confidence and insight, all ready at the drop of a hat to go off meetin' people and livin' and enjoying the same freedoms as men. Thinking their in charge of their futures.
What we need is a council of men, mostly old and definitely white, to help mansplain the world for us and keep us safe through penalty and oppression. It's for our own good, after all. We'll let them make all kinds of laws and it won't matter whether they make sense 'cause they'll be especially for us womenfolk. You know, to keep us where we belong.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Graylight I'm sorry but this was the best response ever.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SatanBurger I’ll call it my Moment of Rant. 😶. Thanks.
redredred · M
@RocktheHouse Agreed but you can’t logic someone out of a conclusion they arrived at emotionally. If a guy wants to wear panties and a dress and fret over his upcoming menstruated period I’m busy elsewhere.
BlueVeins · 22-25
No, most LGBT rights activists & feminists aren't gender abolitionists, and honestly gender abolitionists have some pretty good points. I'm not one, but the concepts of femininity & masculinity can really confine people and sway them to do things they don't need or want, or prevent them from getting things they do need or want. It would be pretty cool if we could loosen those restrictions, but I don't think it makes sense to fully abolish gender, since it semi-naturally arises from sex.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@BlueVeins Ask a woman - she can always distinguish American males from European ones. Dress and mannerism can be different, and certainly other nations have their own forms of machismo, but there is a gentler, more refined air to a European man. The de riguer cargo shorts/logo tee/ball cap uniform of the American male, combined with his worship of everything bigger/better/faster/stronger makes for relatively unattractive package of toxic masculinity.
No one's asking US men not to be men. We'd just like you to be a little less obnoxious about it.
(To anyone to whom this does not apply, do not take offense. It's not about you.)
No one's asking US men not to be men. We'd just like you to be a little less obnoxious about it.
(To anyone to whom this does not apply, do not take offense. It's not about you.)
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Graylight Don't need to ask a woman, all that shit is blatantly obvious to anyone who's seen either country lol.
There are actually people who want US men (and global men, for that matter) to not be men, and women to not be women, and their arguments tend to be pretty reasonable. Here's some reading material on the subject.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/its-time-for-a-world-without-gender/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgenderism
No one's asking US men not to be men. We'd just like you to be a little less obnoxious about it.
There are actually people who want US men (and global men, for that matter) to not be men, and women to not be women, and their arguments tend to be pretty reasonable. Here's some reading material on the subject.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/its-time-for-a-world-without-gender/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgenderism
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Graylight · 51-55, F
Your concept of womanhood, maybe.
First, all feminists are "proactive." It's why the movement.
And they're not necessarily part of the LGBTQ+ community, not unless they're gay.
Women are still women. Straight ones look gay, gays look straight, some have social justice on their agenda, others cheerleading competitions. They come in all sizes, color, shapes, intellects and quirks, which is what makes them so great.
If you've got any "concept" of womanhood at all, I promise you're wrong.
First, all feminists are "proactive." It's why the movement.
And they're not necessarily part of the LGBTQ+ community, not unless they're gay.
Women are still women. Straight ones look gay, gays look straight, some have social justice on their agenda, others cheerleading competitions. They come in all sizes, color, shapes, intellects and quirks, which is what makes them so great.
If you've got any "concept" of womanhood at all, I promise you're wrong.
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Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@RocktheHouse OK....and do you think there should be? Why?
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RocktheHouse · M
@Tython I didn't make the statement, I'm just asking a poll question. I agree that it's a generalization.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Tigerstripe Your opinion matters not to me. You roll in muck around slanted and misinformed questions and the can't understand a topic that doesn't have a binary, black or white, all our nothing answer.
Know the last time I heard talk like that? "Do you want chicken nuggets or Mac 'n cheese?"
Know the last time I heard talk like that? "Do you want chicken nuggets or Mac 'n cheese?"
Tigerstripe · 41-45
@Graylight 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
A classist argumemt??? Really?!?
A classist argumemt??? Really?!?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Tigerstripe Not classist, little blind one. An issue of maturity.
Remember, you started this with an unsolicited attack. I don't even know you.
Remember, you started this with an unsolicited attack. I don't even know you.
Tigerstripe · 41-45
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Blodyn · 22-25, F
I am completely in support of the LGBQT community. More than ever before hearing what the US states are allowed to do.
Imsleepy · 31-35
I disagree.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Why do you care?
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SomeMichGuy · M
I have no idea what you mean.
As @Carla asked, what particular "idea of womanhood" do you have?
And what is a "proactive feminist"? Is it a feminist who is a feminist before, say, Trump "grabs her by the pussy"? Or before her male office colleagues smack her ass? Or before her boss requires her to be sexually available to him as a condition of employment?
Bi-sexual and lesbian women are still women, and the first category have some level of interest in men (though possibly not you, but whatever their interest, it is their preference, not yours).
I don't know how gay men affect womanhood...?
As for actual transsexuals (not transvestites, which is more on the order of cosplay), if you want to only have a relationship with a woman who was born a "typical", XX woman...I'm sure you'll find them.
But I would think that allowing people to let you know, up front, how they identify would actually help clarify who was what, which was not true, not that long ago. It clarifies this for everyone.
And after the current furor dies down, it's my personal belief that the numbers of people identifying in non-traditional categories settles down to whatever their steady-state values will be.
But, regardless of what that will be...how does this "[destroy] the concept of womanhood"?
As @Carla asked, what particular "idea of womanhood" do you have?
And what is a "proactive feminist"? Is it a feminist who is a feminist before, say, Trump "grabs her by the pussy"? Or before her male office colleagues smack her ass? Or before her boss requires her to be sexually available to him as a condition of employment?
Bi-sexual and lesbian women are still women, and the first category have some level of interest in men (though possibly not you, but whatever their interest, it is their preference, not yours).
I don't know how gay men affect womanhood...?
As for actual transsexuals (not transvestites, which is more on the order of cosplay), if you want to only have a relationship with a woman who was born a "typical", XX woman...I'm sure you'll find them.
But I would think that allowing people to let you know, up front, how they identify would actually help clarify who was what, which was not true, not that long ago. It clarifies this for everyone.
And after the current furor dies down, it's my personal belief that the numbers of people identifying in non-traditional categories settles down to whatever their steady-state values will be.
But, regardless of what that will be...how does this "[destroy] the concept of womanhood"?
Chickie · F
@RocktheHouse that's why I never agreed on that "love is love" mess they opened doors for that shit talking about they don't allow pedophiles in their spaces when they have rapists and molesters in their group already.
iusedtoloveunowihateyou · 46-50
I think humans are idiots!
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RocktheHouse · M
@swirlie They're not opposite. Men and women are not opposite. We're companions.
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