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Thoughts on this?

Hi I’d like to ask your opinions on this statement:
“Trans women are women but they are not biological women”

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SW-User

sigh, my thoughts are that I can't think of a more pointless and redundant subject to debate

Iwantyourhotwife · 22-25

I am now having these thoughts:

How exactly do you substantiate that a trans woman is a woman?

Why are we redefining woman?

What does woman even mean when a woman is redefined? Are women real (as in physical, non-abstract, tangible, and definable)? Or could they really be reduced to an identity or feeling?

I have yet to find a good conversation about this yet

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Torsten · 36-40, M

@Gloomy

culturally long hair, feminine coded clothes and accessoiries

so you define a woman as someone with long hair, feminine clothes and accessories?
seriously that is all it takes to be a women to you and you actually think the majority of people think that way? 🤣

Gloomy · F

@Torsten Not how I would define a woman but those are the markers on which people categorise and recognize someone as a woman

TheGreatestEver123 · 41-45, M

@Torsten apparently there’s no such thing as biology anymore. Anyone can just be what they want to be.

PrincessRoarBuddy · F

NO No no These puppets and clowns are defo NOT Women.

A girl is born and grows up to become a woman, a girl and woman has a vagina and can be pregnant and have a baby!

A boy is born and grows up to become a man, a boy and man has a penis! And CANNOT get pregnant.

Trans is a MAN!!!

CestManan · 46-50, F

It is true but let me assure you of this - trans women are going to live their lives as they see fit whether or not male incel conservative losers and females who are insecure about their femininity like it or not.

Some of us have families, jobs, lives, and do not give a rat's f*ck what label people want to try to give us.

@Gloomy That incel who said he would never be attracted to a trans woman, I believe him because he doesn't want to cheat on his AI chat bot G/F. I mean that's a REAL woman to him. 😁

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CestManan · 46-50, F

@CongoMyStuffedCorgi However someone wants to live, there will always be critics. The best we can do is be true to ourselves.

CongoMyStuffedCorgi · 18-21, F

@CestManan Yes, that’s also true!

Torsten · 36-40, M

@CestManan

That incel who said he would never be attracted to a trans woman, I believe him because he doesn't want to cheat on his AI chat bot G/F. I mean that's a REAL woman to him.

why is it the crowd that always insist on not being able to choose sexuality and all that stuff, end up being the ones trying to shame others on who they are or are not attracted towards? you called him a incel because he is not attracted to trans people? ridiculous

Torsten · 36-40, M

no, trans women are trans women. Not the same as biological women in the slightest and should not just be called women due to that

Nevaeh0081 · 36-40, F

@Torsten I understand your stance on it. I really do. But. The energy that you're spending on it only breaks your character down. People have different opinions, different vantage points, different walks of life. We agree to disagree. I think you show your character and respect in that. No hard feelings. Just saying. 🙏

Torsten · 36-40, M

@Nevaeh0081 i am not spending any energy on this. I answered a question i seen, just as others here did. No energy involved. What i said was also factual, so I didnt have to use any energy trying to come up with a nonsensical reason why trans women are women 🤷‍♂️

Nevaeh0081 · 36-40, F

@Torsten understood

BlueVeins · 22-25

I don't have an issue with it I guess. "Biological women" isn't a super coherent phrase if I understand right, but if you're just sayin' it on the fly, it's serviceable.

CongoMyStuffedCorgi · 18-21, F

@BlueVeins oooh i see, what would you say is better?

BohemianBabe · M

"Women" is a gender/cultural category, not a biological category.
Whoever said this probably meant to say "Trans women are women but they are not female." That would be much more accurate.

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Really · 80-89, M

“Trans women are women but they are not biological women” ...

I don't know what this could actually mean, why anyone would take the trouble to say it, or even whether they themselves know what they're trying to convey!

MadraLaska · 31-35, F

The first part is true, the second part is not make so much sense, women is not biological. IF the sentence is say “Trans women are women but they are not biological females” then this is true

bijouxbroussard · F

It’s complicated and largely based on context.

Imsleepy · 31-35

My opinion is that the statement is true. Though, I’m pretty sure most people aren’t saying that trans women are biological women.

Budwick · 70-79, M

If they are not biological women - they are NOT women.

deadgerbil · 22-25, F

Context is everything. One's biology is extremely important like when it comes to sport and there's no getting around it. For medical settings, it matters too, regardless of how one identifies. In a ton of other areas in life, I can't see why they can't just be treated as women.

Gloomy · F

Woman is a social category maybe say biological female

Anyway this emphasis on "biological" has little influence on perception, identity and day to day life from an outsiders perspective. For the people their bodies matter of course.

CongoMyStuffedCorgi · 18-21, F

@Gloomy oooh I see, I’ll take this into account

Purplerain78 · 46-50, F

Biologically no they are not women.
By all means they can live as they please but, you cannot change their biological makeup. Oh and no gender reassignment doesn't count.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

Oh, I see. In order to get best answer, I was supposed to spout hate speech like @Purplerain78. That's what I did wrong.

CestManan · 46-50, F

@Purplerain78 A lot of people make the same argument. They bring that up to discredit trans.
Usually when people have to dig for some little piece of dirt to discredit someone, it means they are threatened by it.
Women who are secure in their femininity tend to have no problem with trans. Women who are INsecure often do have problems with trans.

Purplerain78 · 46-50, F

@CestManan Well that's not the case for me. A weird logic to have also!

MyNameIsHurl · 41-45, F

Maybe people mean they are not genetically a woman since they still have the Y chromosome. Gender identity is obviously a psychological issue where people feel the need to place so much importance and emphasis on their outer shell.

SW-User

Sayin it don't make it so.. I would never be physically attracted to a trans female, so that in itself says you can't fool Mother Nature..

Gloomy · F

@SW-User

Really? I think she looks beautiful

SW-User

@Gloomy yes until that dick pops out 🙂

CongoMyStuffedCorgi · 18-21, F

@Gloomy yes she’s very beautiful!

fakable · T

there is self-identification and social identification, and these are two different things

If i am accepted in society as a woman, then who am i?

CongoMyStuffedCorgi · 18-21, F

@fakable if I understand correctly, is social identification identity based on our social circle? Also I like the question you posed at the end, what’s your answer to that?

fakable · T

@CongoMyStuffedCorgi
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but don't tell anyone
it's a secret

val70 · 51-55

It's not really about what they are, but what some actually oblige everyone else to say and do. One example perhaps, I can't say they entering women's sport is an improvement of anything

KiwiDan · 31-35, M

It's a distinction without a difference, because "biological woman" could refer to so many different things that it's practically worthless as a descriptor.

CongoMyStuffedCorgi · 18-21, F

@KiwiDan so just “woman” would suffice?

Spoiledbrat · F

You already said "trans" woman are woman so why bother saying they are not biological woman? You said "trans". Isn't that like saying it twice?

Alyosha · 31-35, M

Woman and female are synonyms. So many people here trying to make a distinction without a difference.

TheGreatestEver123 · 41-45, M

@Alyosha A woman is a man adult human female. It’s a biological term. Female can refer to the female of any species including our own.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@Alyosha I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you. A woman is a human female. A female is just any female of any species. Do you see the difference? All women are females, but not all females are women.