Thoughts on this?

@Iwantyourhotwife first ask yourself how you identify someone as a woman. Is it by biology? No it's appearance and a question of age.

@Gloomy what does a woman look like?

@Gloomy I would think I go by biology but when you say that, I can see your point. But have you ever thought that it's based on biology?

@Iwantyourhotwife culturally long hair, feminine coded clothes and accessoiries, ...

It isn't based on biology, maybe men look at breasts and butts, so sexual areas to identify but in general cultural norms have nothing to do with biology.

@Gloomy I see what you mean. That is true. I think long hair is an indicator but some features you mentioned are biological. Like breasts and hip bones

Like, would you ever consider this guy possibly a woman?

And do doctors who look at a child with their eyes to tell if it is a boy or girl need to reconsider?

These are actual questions btw 😅
I'm genuinely appreciating the responses

@Iwantyourhotwife The questions you gave are really interesting! I've actually had some of these questions in mind (by no means is it to diminish or devalue trans people, it was just out of pure curiosity and genuine questioning).

I had a conversation with a person once and they asked if I was a "real girl." Taking that question into account made me venture into what constitutes as a "real girl." Is it whether or not someone was feminine presenting? Was it due to the reproductive system of a person? What draws the lines of what is considered a woman or a girl. I also thought it was weird for a person to ask me whether I was a real girl or not. What do you mean by that? Are you asking if I exist? Because that's what the definition of what "real" is to me. Not to get into a deeper philosophical sense, but "real" is something we perceive, something that activates our senses (touch, smell, etc.). Our sense of reality is also based on how we perceive things, and in order to make sense of the world, we gave each and every thing a label. This includes the distinction between a man and a woman. Seeing how todays society works, we are starting to explore the definition of what a "woman" is at a broader and, I'd like to say, more inclusive manner.

@Iwantyourhotwife
Would you consider him a woman? Because he is biologically female.

@Gloomy at a first glance, I'd assume man but when you say biologically female, I can't help but default yo woman

So I guess I just take the biological route in my mind, generally

@Iwantyourhotwife really? So if you meet Buck Angel you'd view him as a woman? Address him with "her"?

Cause I doubt you'd have known hadn't I told you about him being born female

@Gloomy I'm really enjoying the questions you guys are asking each other. I have a question for you @Gloomy do you use a persons appearance as an indicator for what pronouns they use?

@CongoMyStuffedCorgi Kinda yes but often times I ask too and hope that anyone would politely correct me if I am wrong.

@Gloomy Ooooh I see, so would you say, for example, a woman is someone based on their looks, what they identify as, and their biological makeup? Or would you exclude some of these.

@CongoMyStuffedCorgi I would say a female is defined by the biological makeup and women by identity and expression and even when it comes to expression we should get away from stereotypical thinking.

Like in the past (until the late 15th century) kids were refered to as "girls" without considering the biology.

@Gloomy Ooooh I like that answer, thanks for sharing!

@Gloomy first impression seems a he but I genuinely consider that person a she now, simply based on some now known info about them

But this begs a new question you introduced. Do women appear like that naturally? With no hormones, no surgeries, etc. does a healthy human woman naturally have a set of features that define a woman? Or is it undefinable? (Kinda loops back to the beginning questions)

Do men and women have telltale features that are inherent at all? Or can we now just simply be redefined based on how we appear?

@CongoMyStuffedCorgi it definitely is more inclusive considering woman is transitioning from being based on how history had it.

Historically, doctors look at a child at birth and examine if it is a boy, girl, or intersex. From there, parents condition the individual

Now, the new lens and approach is definitelt more inclusive than the previous approach for sure, as ya mention

@Iwantyourhotwife historically kids were just called "girls" and yes very true ones sex influences the way we are socialised and treated.

@CongoMyStuffedCorgi @Gloomysorry if I fall asleep anytime soon btw

@Gloomy
so you define a woman as someone with long hair, feminine clothes and accessories?
seriously that is all it takes to be a women to you and you actually think the majority of people think that way? 🤣

@Torsten Not how I would define a woman but those are the markers on which people categorise and recognize someone as a woman

@Torsten apparently there’s no such thing as biology anymore. Anyone can just be what they want to be.