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Questions for our American friends

Why when there is a mass shooting does it seem like a lot of people's solution is more guns?
As outsiders looking in how exactly would that help?
And why is the suggestion of reducing guns such a sore topic?
BlueVeins · 22-25
Bc the American right takes pride in being obstinate, and Americans in general tend to be terrified to burglars breaking in while we're at home, even though that's rare. We also have fantasies of fighting off the government if it turns tyrannical.

Gun control isn't the solution to extreme violence; solving the social problems which motivate it is. But it would serve as a decent band aid fix.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@LvChris I'm bigly in favor of leftists owning and training with firearms, but yeah fighting the government, itself seems ill-fated. They could come in handy on our end if a Republican president throws a giant wrench into domestic security and these fascist militias start rolling into minority-majority areas. It's just a shame that most liberals & socialists just haven't caught on to that.
@LvChris Yes, just like somebody who talks trash on the internet when they get an invite to say it to the other guy's face.
Slade · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins Good. Now let's get those militias in
TheLordOfHell · 41-45
This country is so fucked up. I don't think there is a solution, other than to ban assault rifles, forbid open carry without up-to-date permits and require yearly training courses for anyone who owns guns
SW-User
@TheLordOfHell The problem with your argument is 1) legal firearms are rarely used to commit these horrific crimes, Moon Bay is an exception, and 2) it's not assault rifles being used to commit murders.
[quote]In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. [/quote]
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20handguns%20were%20involved,in%203%25%20of%20firearm%20murders.
robb65 · 56-60, M
@TheLordOfHell So you're suggesting training would be school shooters will help the problem? How exactly is that supposed to work?
TheLordOfHell · 41-45
@SW-User Ah but it isn't an argument at all. Merely my opinion on an incredibly touchy subject. And this is why one person should not be in charge of making decisions for everyone else. I do not have the wisdom to solve this crisis, sadly. I wish I did. I appreciate your info, however.

@robb65 I don't believe I said that at all, now did I?
Lovingsomeone · 31-35, F
Because it's our 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!
Problems with tougher gun control is it would make it hard for good people to get guns but not the criminals.

Criminals will always find a way to have weapon regardless of the law.

Most of the citizens are afraid of the situation where good people not having a way to defend themselves.
walabby · 61-69, M
@graphite It's working just fine. We don't like any politician, we vote them out. Sometimes their own party sacks them first. Then they get sent to the USA as ambassador 🙄
graphite · 61-69, M
@walabby You call that dystopian nightmare fine? Wow. 😲😲
@walabby Thanks.🤬
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
There is an undercurrent within American culture of distrust or even outright rejection of authority of any sort, and the ability to own weapons is tied up with that.

That attitude makes a fertile field for conservatives to push that distrust of government authority for their own ends. Conservatives want people to be constantly fearful, especially afraid of the government, because this will allow conservatives to have a better chance of achieving their goals, which include the decimation of the federal government and its power to control the wealthy and the corporations they own.

It's a bit ironic —conservatives stoke the fear that the federal government is going to take away your freedom for the purpose of allowing the wealthy and powerful to take away your freedom.
@DunningKruger thats your opinion way out in left field as it is
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
There's been a fifty-year campaign of intense culture shift towards treating firearms as something that is not just a legal right, but a moral good - something you HAVE to own. This campaign is deliberate and importantly, involves a lot of money. And when that mass propagation of firearms has consequences, the result is to, well, say that clearly the problem is not enough guns.

The notion that a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun is a pretty simple one. And even though entities like the NRA have collapsed, they have no purpose anymore. American culture is changed and a huge number of Americans treat right to arms as a right more scared than the right to food, housing, and clean water.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
It is simple. Real Americans do not want to remotely resemble foreigners.
Do you even know what a mass shooting is? Do you know how often they occur? They only make headlines and pull politicians out of the woodwork when it is a shooting that they can use as political fodder.
More guns? Well many people have and rightfully so lost faith in governments at all levels to protect them from rising criminal activity. People have a right to defend themselves and if the legal
Purchase of a weapon for self/ family and home protection, is their solution, that might answer your question.
And where are you from, that you say “ our American friends”?
graphite · 61-69, M
@soar2newhighs New "equity-based" criminal procedures call for releasing dangerous, violent criminals back out into the public because, you know, it's not their fault their dangerous violent criminals. They're victims now.
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]And why is the suggestion of reducing guns such a sore topic?[/quote]

#1 - Because the 2nd amendment of our Constitution guarantees the right bear arms,

#2 - Guns are not the problem. Crazy people mainstreamed into society.

#3 - You have American friends?
Morvoren · F
If you ban guns you’ll get “Ma rights” bullshit.

So ban bullets.
Morvoren · F
@MrBrownstone Where does it say in the constitution you have a right to ammunition?
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Morvoren Same place it says I don’t.
@Morvoren guns and the ammo go together of course its not spelled out specifically in the constitution its a basic right ammo is a given if we didnt have cars we wouldnt need gasoline would we
The more good guys that have guns the quicker the mass shooter goes down you see how that works! So where your from nothin ever happins like that?on reducing guns if they take our guns only the bad guys will have them and we all know they are not going turn theres in hope that answers your question
robb65 · 56-60, M
@bijouxbroussard Obviously it being "part of his job" does not make him a "good guy with a gun". We have plenty of examples that prove that. We even had cops from the next county north who ended up in prison for stopping and robbing Mexicans passing through, figuring they would not report it. Nor does whether the person is male or female. Nor does skin color.
As far as being an American citizen, we have gun laws and those laws restrict who can and can't buy guns and where. I can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun here but I can't drive across the state line and buy one. I can put my pistol in my pocket, walk up and down the street, or drive around because the law says I can. I can't legally drive across the state line with my pistol unless I have a permit that is recognized by that state, and even if the state in question does not require permits, that usually only applies to residents of that state. I think, but I'm not entirely sure a person with a green card can legally buy a gun. Of course they would need some proof of residence in the state where they are trying to buy a gun as well as having to jump through whatever hoops that state has put in place. I don't see a problem with a person who has chosen to live here permanently or semi permanently having a gun and long as they haven't done anything that would prevent a citizen from having one. Someone just passing through illegally is another story.
@robb65 [quote] Obviously it being "part of his job" does not make him a "good guy with a gun". [/quote]
Right, and it’s why I don’t use the term. It means nothing. Many people who support unfettered access to weapons make the distinction of "good guys" with guns.
Logically, that should at least include someone required to carry a gun on their job, as opposed to a criminal. But as you’ve said, one can’t always tell the players by their uniforms. There’s way too much overlap, and it’s always been that way. Every civilian carrying a gun isn’t treated the same way by law enforcement, either.

I live in a state with strict laws. The first gun control laws came about under Gov. Reagan, supported by the NRA, when the Black Panthers decided that they, too, had 2nd Amendment rights. (That’s [b]not[/b] "playing the race card", it’s a matter of record, and the irony isn’t lost on me.)

So it’s not as easy to buy guns here as in other states—except we border Nevada, where at one point you could practically show your library card and buy a gun*. A friend and I used to go Reno, occasionally. She bought a gun, brought it home to California. Nobody checked, either way.
As far as I know, she still has it.
*possibly changed after 2017

[quote] I think, but I'm not entirely sure a person with a green card can legally buy a gun. [/quote]

They can:
“An alien legally in the U.S. is not prohibited from purchasing firearms unless the alien is admitted into the U.S. under a nonimmigrant visa and does not meet one of the exceptions as provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as possession of a valid hunting license or permit.
[18 U.S.C. 922 (d)(5), (g)(5) and (y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32(a)(5) ]"
@bijouxbroussard calm down sorry i interrupted you and your other poster you go ahead😀
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
[quote]Why when there is a mass shooting does it seem like a lot of people's solution is more guns?[/quote]

That's not true at all, clearly there are plenty of people who have a multitude of solutions that don't include getting more guns.

[quote]Why when there is a mass shooting does it seem like a lot of people's solution is more guns?[/quote]

If the goal was to reduce the number of shootings, it likely won't help. If the goal is to empower more Americans to learn how to legally defend themselves from criminals from guns, then it makes more sense.

[quote]And why is the suggestion of reducing guns such a sore topic?[/quote]

Because it tends to come from people who don't live here, and seem to have some sort of moral objection to private citizens owning guns. They get very pissy and shameful and demand to know why Americans like their guns, but then don't listen to, or accept the reasons.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
The majority of Americans want stronger gun control laws. The gun industry has, however, subverted Congress with legalized bribery in the form of campaign contribution . Republicans have consistently voted down all attempts at enacting sane gun control laws. Given the growing gun crisis in the U.S. it is questionable how long the status quo will continue.

I think it will take militant, mass public demonstrations to force Congress to act.
Slade · 56-60, M
@badminton Hey genius, anyone ever tell you guns are inanimate objects. IOW they don't shoot themselves.

Stop the tsunami of turd world aliens and the shooting will stop
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@Slade Non-sequitur, your facts are uncoordinated.
graphite · 61-69, M
There's hundreds of millions of guns in the US and 99.99% of owners have no problem being responsible with them. It's that .01% that's the problem. A growing population of people abiding by the deadly "Don't get mad -get even!" philosophy.
anger is the Child of Fear.
these shooters are so very angry the must also be very afraid.
many of the angry and violent fear they[i] and their kind[/i], once in privileged position will lose that privilege, and they fear that loss.



they fear the Other, people not like themselves, and such people are not easy to understand thus possibly dangerous.

but some of these shooting just come from personal hate, the hatred of one person for another or a cluster of others,, like co workers,, other students

the last case, it the forgotten the invisible and for one they will say '
"LOOK AT ME"

it is a time of collective madness
Ynotisay · M
It doesn't help. We have the most guns per capita in the world BY FAR. No other country is close. We account for roughly 75% of the world's mass shootings. And other than Greenland, a country with around 50,000 people, we have the most suicides by gun BY FAR.

More guns is the reaction of those who live their lives in fear. Or they need a weapon to feel powerful because they know they're weak. There's people in this country who have been fed a steady diet of fear and it speaks to them. The gun lobby is largely responsible for that and they've been assisted by certain types of media. Not only political media. "Hollywood" definitely plays a role. Guns and death are what people see on their TV's and in a whole lot of movies. And it's always been like that. It's a cancer that a lot of people don't want to cure. Overall, we're a weak nation that has been told it's 'strong.' Guns are a big part of that messaging with money being the ultimate goal.
walabby · 61-69, M
Small dick syndrome..
Slade · 56-60, M
@walabby how clever. You go to cliche school for that?
Ontheroad · M
I wish it were that simple... it isn't, and until the American people get to the point where lives are more important than their 2nd Amendment rights, pretty much nothing is going to change.
@Ontheroad good point but your speaking for the minority here the vast majority of Americans are responsible gun enthusiasts who obay the laws of our great country dismantling our rights is not a cure ....trampling our rights for a few sick or desperate people is not the answer and that vast majority will never let leftist gun haters take our rights!
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MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Being able to defend yourself is a basic human right. So when criminals decide not to follow the law,crazy I know,you can protect yourself and property.
Ask yourself why MSM never has stories about good people with guns stopping criminals?
Ducky · 31-35, F
The mentality is basically having more firearms around for armed personnel will serve as a counter toward mass shootings when they turn up. Theoretically, that [i]can [/i]work, but I personally don't think that's the solution to America's problem with gun violence.
@Ducky not 100% but if someone one is contemplating a mast shooting maybe a neck stretching would change there mind seeing how it looks so painfull
Ducky · 31-35, F
@Bodymindsoul If you say so
@Ducky good since "ducky" profile says nothin about him who what or why your hear you must be a troll and i was getting tired of wasting time in this debate...good day!
Dino11 · M
Need better gun laws, better law enforcement
Gun go pew pew
PhilDeep · 51-55, M
Ask this guy?!

Gaslighting the public is always good in the USA,
The stochastic violence is important.
No majority seeks a solution to the guns -. Unless you count ordinary people.
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huskyguy89 · 31-35, M
Believe me some of us wonder the same thing..lol
LunarOrbit · 56-60, M
Guns aren’t the problem. Bad people are the problem.
DDonde · 31-35, M
It's a long story
I blame brain damage from lead poisoning.

I'm serious, by the way.

The gun nuts who insist on defending the most fringe definition of the Second Amendment are the people who spend all day at the firing range, shooting lead bullets at a target, breathing in vaporized lead. You think there's not a connection there?
empanadas · 31-35, M
The USA is being destroyed from within.
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Ceinwyn @Ceinwyn [quote]US and Switzerland have the same gun laws[/quote]

No they don't.

[quote]The fundamental difference between Switzerland and the U.S. when it comes to buying guns is not the ease of purchase—it’s easy in both countries—but the regulations that are associated with gun ownership in Switzerland. Most firearms, with the exception of fully automatic weapons, are legal. But background checks are mandated, which is not always the case in the U.S. Heavy machine guns and military weapons such as grenade launchers are banned in Switzerland; under some circumstances they can be purchased in the U.S. Public-carrying permits are issued rarely. Guns can be transported, but must remain unloaded at all times when they’re not in use.

Hunting weapons must be registered with the local Canton. Pistols, rifles, and semiautomatic weapons require a license. [/quote]

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/swiss-guns/553448/

[quote]So we either need less guns or less Americans[/quote]

We need less uninformed idiots who spew their dumb opinions without even knowing what they are talking about.
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Ceinwyn Hm well you don't know anything about American gun laws so its safe to assume you don't know shit about Americans either.

 
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