Questions for our American friends

@Bodymindsoul Unfortunately, that’s rarely how things work in real life. Uvalde’s one of the most tragic examples.
[b]Hundreds[/b] of police officers "good guys with guns" were sent to the scene. 21 people still died (in Texas, where gun laws are light). The worst mass shooting in our country’s history occurred in Nevada, where gun laws are very light (58 dead). And even states with laws attempting to control the number of firearms often [b]border[/b] states that don’t, which lessen their effectiveness. 🙁

@bijouxbroussard yeah thats your opinion mian stream media rarly reports the good guys winning

@Bodymindsoul Likewise, [b]that’s[/b] your opinion. I also have some family in law enforcement, so I base my opinion on a bit more than media coverage. I’m not anti-gun, btw. But I do understand that most of those folks, even with emotional issues, saw themselves as "good guys", right up the point that they began shooting. 😞

@bijouxbroussard do you know of one case thats actually agood guy turned killer that you can share here based in fact

@Bodymindsoul All the ones with manifestos definitely thought [b]they[/b] were good guys, killing for a what [b]they[/b] defined as a good cause. Do you think they saw themselves as villains ?

@bijouxbroussard of course not there sick society sees them as villians guns are NOT the problem be nice if they used hammers and you people could ban nails and hammers

@Bodymindsoul Did you see where I said "I’m not anti-gun" ? Or did you ignore that because it didn’t fit your narrative ? There are other countries where citizens own guns, yet they’re not killing each other. And the term "good guys with guns" means nothing because
A. Who decides who’s a "good guy" ?
B. I already mentioned Uvalde, where 200+ armed "good guys" couldn’t stop one mentally ill teenager from killing 21 people.

@bijouxbroussard im sorry i did miss that statment look i dont have a narrative im just a hunter of animals in season and i shoot to test my skills so im a good guy as you say and im not going to one day loose it and kill like that kid and i will research that part "b"but the 200 armed "good guys" had the tools and failed but they i presume are still alive they didnt just watch ! Look we could go on and on here bottom line is im not disarming myself for nobody because nobody can quarantee everybodys going to turn in there guns thanks for your time to debate with me and sorry i ruffled your feathers been a long day and im going to crash good nite

@bijouxbroussard Uvalde is a really bad example. There was a whole bunch of cops there standing around with their fingers up their asses preventing the good guys, parents, or anyone else from going in and doing anything.

@robb65 Uvalde is the [b]best[/b] example on record of the concept we have of "good guys with guns" whose purpose is, supposedly, to protect the population. If you’re talking about [i][b]civilians[/b][/i] having unlimited access to guns—then you’re talking about that [b]teenager[/b].

I still say, what determines who’s a "good guy with a gun” if that’s not part of his job ?
That it’s a guy ?
That he’s white ?
That he’s an American citizen ?

I’m listening. 😳

@bijouxbroussard @robb65 race card played🤬

@Bodymindsoul It’s not a card game. It’s real life, unfortunately.

@bijouxbroussard you defi all logic think what you like not worth my time to debate

@Bodymindsoul Cool. I thought we were through until a new player picked up the ball and ran. But, yeah. I’m not changing your mind, you’re not changing mine. Folks will keep dying, and that’s just where things are.

@bijouxbroussard cool then be still and believe your not changing my mind but i know you cant do that

@Bodymindsoul I know I’m not changing it. But I’m not shutting up until the conversation is over. You can thank the other poster for [b]reviving[/b] it—I had replied to [b]him[/b].

@bijouxbroussard Obviously it being "part of his job" does not make him a "good guy with a gun". We have plenty of examples that prove that. We even had cops from the next county north who ended up in prison for stopping and robbing Mexicans passing through, figuring they would not report it. Nor does whether the person is male or female. Nor does skin color.
As far as being an American citizen, we have gun laws and those laws restrict who can and can't buy guns and where. I can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun here but I can't drive across the state line and buy one. I can put my pistol in my pocket, walk up and down the street, or drive around because the law says I can. I can't legally drive across the state line with my pistol unless I have a permit that is recognized by that state, and even if the state in question does not require permits, that usually only applies to residents of that state. I think, but I'm not entirely sure a person with a green card can legally buy a gun. Of course they would need some proof of residence in the state where they are trying to buy a gun as well as having to jump through whatever hoops that state has put in place. I don't see a problem with a person who has chosen to live here permanently or semi permanently having a gun and long as they haven't done anything that would prevent a citizen from having one. Someone just passing through illegally is another story.

@robb65 [quote] Obviously it being "part of his job" does not make him a "good guy with a gun". [/quote]
Right, and it’s why I don’t use the term. It means nothing. Many people who support unfettered access to weapons make the distinction of "good guys" with guns.
Logically, that should at least include someone required to carry a gun on their job, as opposed to a criminal. But as you’ve said, one can’t always tell the players by their uniforms. There’s way too much overlap, and it’s always been that way. Every civilian carrying a gun isn’t treated the same way by law enforcement, either.

I live in a state with strict laws. The first gun control laws came about under Gov. Reagan, supported by the NRA, when the Black Panthers decided that they, too, had 2nd Amendment rights. (That’s [b]not[/b] "playing the race card", it’s a matter of record, and the irony isn’t lost on me.)

So it’s not as easy to buy guns here as in other states—except we border Nevada, where at one point you could practically show your library card and buy a gun*. A friend and I used to go Reno, occasionally. She bought a gun, brought it home to California. Nobody checked, either way.
As far as I know, she still has it.
*possibly changed after 2017

[quote] I think, but I'm not entirely sure a person with a green card can legally buy a gun. [/quote]

They can:
“An alien legally in the U.S. is not prohibited from purchasing firearms unless the alien is admitted into the U.S. under a nonimmigrant visa and does not meet one of the exceptions as provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as possession of a valid hunting license or permit.
[18 U.S.C. 922 (d)(5), (g)(5) and (y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32(a)(5) ]"

@bijouxbroussard calm down sorry i interrupted you and your other poster you go ahead😀