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AbbeyRhode · F
And hard-working taxpayers are supposed to foot the bill to send other people's kids to these evil indoctrination centers. 😠
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
"Oh, we're not anti-Jewish, just anti-Zionist."
Uh-huh... 🙄
Uh-huh... 🙄
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DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@MistyCee Thats true to a point,but when you have private agencies like Twitter et.al censoring information and news stories essentially ON BEHALF of the government,than youre running into a problem.
@DavidT8899 And it's, imo, truly a different problem.
Or at least worthy of a different post.
Maybe even a bigger post, or a new category, because I think national "politics" are increasingly becoming subsidiary to economic multinational politics.
Or at least worthy of a different post.
Maybe even a bigger post, or a new category, because I think national "politics" are increasingly becoming subsidiary to economic multinational politics.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@MistyCee
But there it was, right there on USTA property.
State property.
"... but this "zine" was not sponsored by UTSA."
But there it was, right there on USTA property.
State property.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Leftist define free speech as their right to insult others without being interrupted.
4meAndyou · F
Well, the veil that antifa, BLM, and all "Progressives" use to disguise themselves and their origins as Marxists who escaped from Nazi Germany is shredding to bits.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Thinkerbell @4meAndyou This is turning out to be a really great day!
DDaverde · 61-69, M
Typical liberal commie a hole
Turned that way by the commie rat
Professors Such bullshit
All of these professors should be fired
For pushing their political views
On the students
Turned that way by the commie rat
Professors Such bullshit
All of these professors should be fired
For pushing their political views
On the students
carpediem · 61-69, M
@MistyCee Skokie tolerated the Nazi's better than groups who brought it up and made a scene. And the permit was actually issued by the Forest Preserve District.
That does seem like tolerating to me.
Nine different UC Berkeley student groups recently banned Jews who support Israel from speaking on campus.
That does seem like tolerating to me.
@carpediem Mebbe, but I don't think lawsuits are such a great thing here, especially with student organizations where the "real" litigants are likely to graduate and move on before they're resolved.
The reality is, even in law schools, we're basically practicing stuff for our young uns, and the process is more important than the specifics.
The reality is, even in law schools, we're basically practicing stuff for our young uns, and the process is more important than the specifics.
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jackson55 · M
UC Berkeley has been a liberal Mecca for a very long time. Free speech is ok as long as it’s what they want to here. If not you’re banned from the campus.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
All of this under the Biden government, imagine this under Trump the world would be in an uproar
crazy...... the same people who called Hitler a nazi are banning jews on campus...... cant even make this stuff up.
graphite · 61-69, M
Funny how the next step from the so-called party of diversity and inclusion is segregation. There's also "whites not allowed" off-campus housing in Berkeley. If Republicans did this (not that we would) the FBI would already have raided these places. But these people vote Democrat so its OK.
marke · 70-79, M
Marxists justify even the most destructive of violent civil unrest as free speech but expressing conservative opinions on leftist campuses "ist strengstens verboten!"
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
Hitler gave an unhappy nation a group to hate and blame, liberals can't hate gunowners or christians or people who love the country without cutting their own base. The percentage of people of Jewish descent in the US is about 1% of the total population, maybe they think they can absorb that loss by gaining support from the rest of the antisemitic population.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@Roadsterrider Why don’t you ask the neo-Nazis in America which party they support?
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Theyitis Because in this country, they are insignificant, they will never be a power to contend with. Do you disagree with my assessment of the Nazi's or Bud's topic and anything that might support it? I think it is historically accurate that Hitler blamed the Jew for of Germany's woes to the point of genocide. Do I find it alarming that an institute of higher learning would bar those of Jewish descent from certain areas, yes I do. Does it matter what political party they are affiliated with? Not to me it doesn't.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
This reminds me of how Yahoo News often posts articles from HuffPost where they omit the ability for readers to make comments :)
Unless leftist are presenting to a room full of leftist, there's no "questions and answers" period at the end of their presentations.
Unless leftist are presenting to a room full of leftist, there's no "questions and answers" period at the end of their presentations.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@Heartlander You’re saying that Yahoo News doesn’t allow comments on the articles? And you assume that liberals are in charge at Yahoo News?
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Theyitis I have no idea who has control over the "comments" switch, whether Yahoo or HuffPost. But the frequency of HuffPost articles thee is a pretty clear give-a-way that someone at Yahoo News tilts left.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
Berkeley has always been radical as hell.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
on a positive note, when history does repeat itself and we go back to hanging nazis and commies, we can laugh at their pleas that they were "just following orders" shortly before we execute them by hanging or firing squad...🤔
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
They got in a lawsuit a few years ago for banning conservative speakers.
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Not that history isn't repeating itself in some ways, but it's a little different.
There are plenty of folks including leftists fighting with these groups at Berkeley, for one thing, and the Marxist connection is really contorted.
Having said that, I'm glad that Berkeley is Berkeley and that disputes like this can happen there.
There are plenty of folks including leftists fighting with these groups at Berkeley, for one thing, and the Marxist connection is really contorted.
Having said that, I'm glad that Berkeley is Berkeley and that disputes like this can happen there.
@Budwick As much as I'm tempted to continue with this, I'm really not sure its worth it.
Without doubt, some students and some student organizations at Berkely law school are expressing their freedom to speek by trying to limit other individuals' right to speak.
You didn't give me a frigging cite, and when I googled the terms you mentioned, the first thing I came up with was the Administration saying they didn't necessarily agree with the student organisation's votes on the issue.
The students, frankly, really can't, IMO, "defy the Constitution" because they're not state actors, and, in f-ing fact, the First Amendment says that the State can't deny their right to try speak, including speech about others right to speak.
I don't honestly know what UC's reaction to this is, other than reading a frigging Jewish adminstrator's statement that he's not comfortable with it, but my hope is that, as a public institution, it will allow this debate to go on between the various student organizations, and react, ultimately, in accord with its onw REAL First Amendment obligations as a state entity.
Without doubt, some students and some student organizations at Berkely law school are expressing their freedom to speek by trying to limit other individuals' right to speak.
You didn't give me a frigging cite, and when I googled the terms you mentioned, the first thing I came up with was the Administration saying they didn't necessarily agree with the student organisation's votes on the issue.
The students, frankly, really can't, IMO, "defy the Constitution" because they're not state actors, and, in f-ing fact, the First Amendment says that the State can't deny their right to try speak, including speech about others right to speak.
I don't honestly know what UC's reaction to this is, other than reading a frigging Jewish adminstrator's statement that he's not comfortable with it, but my hope is that, as a public institution, it will allow this debate to go on between the various student organizations, and react, ultimately, in accord with its onw REAL First Amendment obligations as a state entity.
llloydfred · 56-60, M
unbelievable, but believable Wow
Persephonee · 22-25, F
Well it's ok.
Because when people start throwing stones it won't be a problem for the Jewish man who is their target to stop them and ask "Is this an antisemitic rock, or just an antizionist one?"
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Because when people start throwing stones it won't be a problem for the Jewish man who is their target to stop them and ask "Is this an antisemitic rock, or just an antizionist one?"
😬
Budwick · 70-79, M
Persephonee · 22-25, F
@Budwick I think that was my point...
Is it Jews or the politics of the state of Israel?
@sunsporter1649 nope it’s not ok.
That’s why democrats don’t have a leader yelling that it’s ok.
Unlike your FUHRER
That’s why democrats don’t have a leader yelling that it’s ok.
Unlike your FUHRER
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Ryderbike So you approve, since you are defending it by not doing anything to condemn it
@sunsporter1649 already have condemned all violence as has president Biden
FUHRER still lying about the election dividing America
FUHRER still lying about the election dividing America
Vin53 · M
Judaism =/= Zionism.
Not all Christians are evangelicals, not all Muslims are ISIS, and not all Jews are zionists.
Not all Christians are evangelicals, not all Muslims are ISIS, and not all Jews are zionists.
llloydfred · 56-60, M
@Vin53 Yup, Thats right.
Carissimi · F
They have to be breaking a law with this tripe.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Boycotting "Jewish people who support Israel" - is a very different thing than boycotting Jewish people.
The student groups have not blocked Jewish people from speaking. They have decided that they do not want to hear speeches from Israel supporters. Possibly because Israel has a pretty poor behavioral record lately.
False equivalency.
The student groups have not blocked Jewish people from speaking. They have decided that they do not want to hear speeches from Israel supporters. Possibly because Israel has a pretty poor behavioral record lately.
False equivalency.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Budwick I would have to know more about the process and policies of having speakers at the university and who pays for the people to come and talk.
It's not a violation of freedom of speech if people decide they don't want to pay you to hear your ideas.
If the place they were wanting to speak at is open as a "public square" type of forum and they wish to speak freely without compensation just like anyone else can, then it would be a violation to bar them from speaking. Though these are probably paid speaking invitations which don't count.
It's not a violation of freedom of speech if people decide they don't want to pay you to hear your ideas.
If the place they were wanting to speak at is open as a "public square" type of forum and they wish to speak freely without compensation just like anyone else can, then it would be a violation to bar them from speaking. Though these are probably paid speaking invitations which don't count.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ViciDraco "Possibly because Israel has a pretty poor behavioral record lately."
Yeah, we all recall the Israelis' rocketing their own cities
Yeah, we all recall the Israelis' rocketing their own cities
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strongbow · 46-50, M
Good for UC Berkeley!...👍