History Repeats Itself: College Leftists Create Jew-Free Zones on Berkeley Campus – the Home of Free Speech

@Thinkerbell I wish there was actually an easy way to respond to that, but personal belief is that the best way to deal with it is to allow BDS folks, Zionists, non Zionist Jews, and even Anti-Semites (as strange as that term is when applied Palestinians), a chance to air their views.

Going back to when I was a kid, I got the difference between whether the Nazis should be able to march, and whether they should be given a permit to march in Skokie.

What I'm really grateful for is, that at a place like Berkley, this discussion could happen.

At either Yeshiva I or Liberty I, my guess is it couldn't.

@MistyCee
There is - you simply need to identify what is true.
One will always get entangled with what you have called shades of gray in the past when you start dividing, categorizing, qualifying, and trying to appease.
The truth is so much easier.
Freedom of speech - for all.

@Budwick Freedom to speak "the truth"? My truth or your truth?

In case you haven't noticed, we don't always agree, and, IMO, the importance of freedom of speech is that it protects us both in case either one of us is wrong.

@MistyCee My truth allows EVERYBODY the freedom of speech.

@Budwick LOL. Even if they say "Budwick is lying?

@MistyCee I recall the Nazi's marching in Skokie. They had a permit and would have spouted off to a small group. But the loud complaining that was made about denying them the right of free speech brought them more attention than they could ever have dreamed of.

I see eliminating the speech of Jewish groups despite the lie that is told is doing the same thing. Those taking the steps to restrict speech are the enemy of the US.

@MistyCee
Misty, free speech becomes restricted speech as soon as it's restricted.

See how easy it is when being truthful?

@carpediem Huh? The Skokie mess was largely about where they were speaking, and my point was that a public university, and especially a law school at a public university, should be applauded for tolerating more contoversial speech than Skokie.

@MistyCee


As a matter of fact, there is a great deal of ongoing (and controversial) discussion going on at Yeshiva.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lgbtq-students-sue-yeshiva-university-for-discrimination/

@MistyCee But the problem with that approach is that,at least in our current times,it doesnt apply to all groups.If an Ivy-league school wanted to create a "No Muslims zone"or a "Anti-transgender club",would that be embraced with the same respect for free speech as what you are talking about?

@Thinkerbell that's kind of why I mentioned it.

If I sent my kid to a "Christian", "Catholic", or " Jewish" school, my expectations on what kind of education they might get and what kind of unorthodox ideas event they might be expose to, would differ from that of a public school .

@DavidT8899 Maybe not, and honestly, most probably not, but, imo, you pay a premium for intolerance and an education limited by your own beliefs

@MistyCee The Progressive system.

@MistyCee
But somehow Jew-Free Zones are tolerant?
Or, "Christian", "Catholic", or " Jewish" schools are intolerant?
Or, you think Berkley costs less than "Christian", "Catholic", or " Jewish" schools?

What kind of confused web are you weaving here Misty?

@MistyCee


Like UTSA students creating "no whites allowed zines"? 🙄

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@Budwick I don't know what Berkley costs in state, tbh, but my "red State" university is cheaper than the private or parochial alternative.



Whatever "web" I'm weaving is based on my own experience as a student and parent as opposed to some conspiracy. If YMMV, then tell me.

@Thinkerbell Not my "expectations" but this "zine" was not sponsored by UTSA.

However, I'll add, frankly, that I'd expect a public institution to be more tolerant of this kind of speech than a private one. I attended a public university where Apartheid was uncomfortably debated on campus, and sent two kids off to public and private colleges where I explained to them that the degree of censorship and free speech permitted might need different.

The First Amendment applies only to State Action, and I like it that way. If I want to pay extra to keep our the "riff raff" or keep my children from being exposed to ideas or people I don't approve of, I can still do it.

@MistyCee Thats true to a point,but when you have private agencies like Twitter et.al censoring information and news stories essentially ON BEHALF of the government,than youre running into a problem.

@DavidT8899 And it's, imo, truly a different problem.

Or at least worthy of a different post.

Maybe even a bigger post, or a new category, because I think national "politics" are increasingly becoming subsidiary to economic multinational politics.

@MistyCee


But there it was, right there on USTA property.

State property.