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for the clowns on here who defend drag queens around children

how do you defend this? still think there is nothing wrong with this type of thing?
[media=https://youtu.be/1UIZ8PwCKFg]

what kind of parents take their kids to be around this disgusting crap?
no wonder so many people get called groomers these days. there is good reason for it
There is no defense for this. Trans people need to be kept away from kids
@Lucia I get a lot of hearts on my comments because I speak the truth! Just because others are indoctrinated by liberals media doesn't mean everyone is
Lucia · 36-40, T
@Stargazer89 I am still interested in your viewpoint per my honest question (Before interaction with BritishNRASupporter)
Funlov · M
@Stargazer89 no you don’t just more stupid red necks is all bud face it it’s hatred you’re preaching
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Keep these perverted glorified paedophiles away from children

DISGUSTING
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@LordShadowfire Drama queen much?
gol979 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire if its just a man in a dress reading age appropriate books why cant he just remove the dress? If its as benign as that it should be a no brainer right?

And to conflate concerns about the overt sexualisation of children to homophobia is a stretch. No one here wants to massacre all trans/gays etc, they just want that kept between consenting adults.
BlueVeins · 22-25
Based on the 5 seconds of 240p footage they posted here, seems pretty inappropriate for kids. I just think it's weird how the right targets LGBT people, broadly, when there are tons of conventionally heterosexual events which are at least as inappropriate. This would be like if they wanted to ban all dance lessons & recitals for kids just because some studios are creepy dance moms-esque shit that have little girls dancing around in bikini-lookin' outfits for grown men to rate them. I don't really know how to legislate that without introducing excess legal ambiguity, but if there were any political faction looking to do that on a consistent basis and they had a way, I'd sign off on that.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins lets watch for it without grooming kids.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@MasterLee Nothing helps actual pedophiles more than turning 'groomer' into a cheap partisan roast.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins so you defend pedos?
This stuff should be reserved for adult entertainment. Leave the kids alone.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@BizSuitStacy exactly
HannahSky · F
You think one video is proof and that's just ridiculous. Drag has been around forever, it's not suddenly evil. People are so afraid of everything. It's a shame.
LordShadowfire · 46-50
@Torsten Ummm...
Torsten · 36-40, M
@HannahSky without a doubt I am sure they absolutely hate it and with good reason because not only is it disgusting what is happening, it also widly affects them
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akindheart · 61-69, F
i saw this on IG. the meme said "We didn't have a problems with drag queens until it involved children" we didn't have a problem with sex changes until it involved children"
Torsten · 36-40, M
@akindheart sounds like a good thing but I think we all know certain people are obsessed with trying to involve children in their perversions, so of course there was outrage from them
4meAndyou · F
@Torsten From DISNEY workers, primarily...which is very, very scary. I remember, at the time, that their protest was followed by 6 arrests of known child predators who were EMPLOYED at Disney.
akindheart · 61-69, F
@4meAndyou and they tried to hush it all up. after all, Disney has been operating independent in this state for year.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
people like that are why people like me keep stocking up on these... 🤔

Torsten · 36-40, M
@wildbill83 people certainly giving others reason to do so for sure
Resistance is futile… c’mon man..

Torsten · 36-40, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout wouldnt surprise me if he dressed up in private
4meAndyou · F
There are parents out there, as hard to believe as this may be, who are SO anxious to signal their own "virtue" that they will even subject their own children to this sort of abuse.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@4meAndyou i dont think its hard to believe at all. A lot of bad parents in the world
So..........just sayin'...........but at 16 I read Mein Kampt in school. And ya know what? I never turned immediately into a Nazi. And then I read the Bible and shocker........... I never turned into Jesus.

For some reason EVERY ultra right brainwashed radical thinks if you see it......or read it...........the kids will do it. So to fix that they think it is THEIR duty to tell every other parent on the planet how to raise their own kids. Thank god the ultra radicals know what is best for EVERYONE else, huh?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@MaBalzEsHari so if you witnessed a child being assaulted, you would stand back and do nothing because by your logic, you have no right to step in?
@Torsten You're a waste of space and my time.
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GovanDUNNY · 36-40, M
Anything sexual has no place around children .anyone who thinks otherwise is dodgy.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@GovanDUNNY thank you for actually being sane on here
Remember, not all drag queens are strippers or dancers. Some are singers, some do caberet, some are stand up comedians.

I agree this is twisted, buy dont colour all drag queens the same, many drag queens find this just as abhorrent as you.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@OogieBoogie haha exactly. I would think by now that people would not try assuming what i am thinking because i say exactly what I am thinking and yeah we have had or run ins as you call them but i have always respected you because you actually seem to listen and not assume and even if things get heated, you stay respectful to a degree and dont go for cheap personal attacks
@Torsten i havent personally attacked you yet?!

well shit...
...i gotta raise my game 😅
Torsten · 36-40, M
@OogieBoogie not that i can remember anyway haha.
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
Yeah the people who defend it are pedophiles themselves. Drag queens should never be allowed around children. It's an overtly sexualized environment that children shouldn't be around.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LeopoldBloom stop trying to make this about churches and stick to the actual topic or piss off
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
@Torsten he isn't entirely wrong about churches, I'll give him that. But what's being normalized more? Drag queens being put in front of little kids and doing inappropriate things in front of them. Can we stick to that problem at hand?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@IWasCallingYaLarry never claimed he was. This guy keeps deflecting child abuse to another form of abuse. Its as if he thinks abuse children have suffered in churches gives all other child abuse a free pass because it doesnt happen as often.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
I would take my kid to a family friendly drag show. Not all performances are sexual.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Starcrossed fair enough but i am talking about this type of thing here now
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
@Torsten and I'm say I don't think what you are talking about is a fair representation of what is actually happening, in fact to assume as much is a bit narrow minded and perhaps intentionally misleading.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Starcrossed I am pointing out what is taking place. This could only have happened once and it would be justified to bring it to peoples attention. It is happening more and more, and something needs to be done
JPWhoo · 36-40, MVIP
Drag has been part of mainstream culture for at least a century, and it’s just in the last few years that a lot of people have complained about it and associated it with “grooming”.
JPWhoo · 36-40, MVIP
@MarmeeMarch I’ll accept that it’s probably a man. What’s your point? A few guys in this propaganda video did sexual dances around infants and toddlers while allegedly dressed as women, therefore that is rock solid proof of a nefarious worldwide conspiracy of drag performers to “groom” children to be susceptible to rape and sodomy?
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JPWhoo · 36-40, MVIP
@MarmeeMarch Yeah. It has.

Oh no, wait, you’re right, because this year there was maybe one group of men who wore nothing but thongs while doing pelvic thrusts in front of little kiddos [i]while[/i], incidentally, dressed in drag, that retroactively scandalizes over a century of previous drag performances that up until now the world had generally considered to be fine family entertainment 🙄
So don’t take your kids if you disapprove. I wouldn’t take my kids to a church or a tree worship ceremony or whatever it is that you people do out of concern that the pastor or equivalent will molest them. If a kid is molested at a drag show, arrest the perpetrator as you would in any other context.

It’s incredible, you people are the first to tell us to stop sticking our noses in your business, and then you turn around and do the same thing. But if you have a citation from a credible source documenting harm from kids watching these things, please share it. They already have access to stuff that’s 100x worse on the internet, so if their parents are with them and can answer questions, at least that’s an improvement.
@LeopoldBloom [quote] They already have access to stuff that’s 100x worse on the internet [/quote]

Oh, well thats us told then! 🤣
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LeopoldBloom and here we go with the church deflection again 🙄
fakable · T
i don't really care, but...

when publishing such posts you should try to prevent the reaction of aggressive idiots. although the point of the news is logically correct, you have made some mistakes in the way the news is presented. this is most likely caused by your emotional reaction...
fakable · T
@Torsten

a lot...


1. "for the clowns on here who defend drag queens around children"

those who disagree with my statement are not competent and do not deserve respect. join my opinion and feel part of a competent group.

2. "how do you defend this?"

i need an enemy. an incompetent weak enemy. a clown who defends a deliberately wrong opinion.

3. "still think there is nothing wrong with this type of thing?"

distortion of the meaning of the message. "this type of thing?" is now associated in the reader with the presence of "drag queens around children." as far as i understand the news is that the show organizers are idiots, not dancers (drag queens) right?

4. "what kind of parents take their kids to be around this disgusting crap?"

the transition to the theme of parents through the weighting of negative attitudes to the previous theme of "drag queens around children" equates to "this disgusting crap.

5. "no wonder so many people get called groomers these days. there is a good reason for it"

the parents of these children are idiots, too, for allowing their children to be around "this disgusting crap". i.e., "around drag queens". of course, this is an understandable and not at all surprising fact.

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after reading your post, the user watches the video with an already formed opinion, which you put into the emotional form of the text.

maybe you did it deliberately. then you are a professional. maybe not. i have no idea.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@fakable are you serious? anyone who watches that video should only have one clear cut opinion and that is that this is not okay.
I stick with anyone who defends such a thing as to be a groomer. There is no other word for it.

Parents who take their children to essentially a strip show is a shitty parent that in my opinion has just committed child abuse.

you say the performers are not idiots here? umm they see children there and yet they are doing that. Passing blame to others is idiotic because its what they are doing is what the issue is
fakable · T
@Torsten

i took apart your post as a textual construction into its emotional and logical components

i don't care what your post is about. i showed you the mechanism

seriously
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
Whatever that video was, wasn’t appropriate for children. I wouldn’t take my kids to that show but those parents did and that is their right.

Just like I wouldn’t take my 2 boys to Hooters because of the way they sexualize women. I don’t think it’s appropriate for them.

I would take my kids to a show with drag queens dressed up and singing. What would be the difference if it were women dressed the same way?

Now for all of those saying that drag queens are pedophiles, you need to provide the proof of this. I want to see these statistics, the arrest reports. How can you say a whole group of people is this without proof?

In my experience pedophiles have been straight white men and you are much more likely to attend church in the unites states and be groomed than by attending a drag show. You better believe I can back that statistic up. Here’s a list of predators within the Church.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTFikAP6MXDCJjWzgMIOvpsT1ji-HwO-rLEvNE8e-cfCGh0YHoZluIG5TEsmwFub7MzIDfh0XgvcWL8/pub

Please provide me a list of drag queens that have been arrested for pedophila @Torsten because you are saying this.


So I must be a groomer supporter? If you are going that far and calling everyone who questions your logic then you need to show me where the trail of these pedophiles are that are drag queens.

And no I am not deflecting. I am showing you that you are branding a whole group of people as pedophiles without proof and I am making that same generalization but I have the proof to back that up.

I am waiting
Torsten · 36-40, M
@iamonfire696 really the best you could come up with is a thread of me saying transage people are pedophiles? actually read that thread. No where did i claim all trans people are pedophiles but again that has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is not on trans people. Its about drag queens. Where did i say all drag queens are pedophiles?

You say me saying I have a phobia of pedophiles means to you that i said all trans people are pedophiles? fuck, you're reaching so hard with all this.
You do know trans people and drag queens are not the same right?
again you made the claim that i said all drag queens are pedophiles and ask for evidence on that. Clearly you can not find any evidence of me saying that. So what should i call what you're attempting to do? it seems like twisting what i am saying.

You just proved my point for me, so thanks for that
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Torsten Trans people can be drag queens. You find one video.

Have you seen aerial performers who wear basically nothing performing and kids watch it and that’s okay but because these people are drag queens they can’t perform. .

Also when drag queens dress up and sing, why is that any different than when a woman does it? 9 times out of 10 the drag Queen is far more covered than whatever the woman is wearing. But it’s okay to expose children to a woman who is wearing basically nothing? That type of sexuality is okay?

I am not digging through your comments. You agreed to a pedophile comment on this thread and couldn’t tell me if any of those performers had been arrested.

Do you know what sexual grooming is? Clearly not. I don’t see kids being left alone with anyone.

You will just whine and complain when someone doesn’t agree with your POV. There’s no point in continuing because you have the same argument with no facts.
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SkeetSkeet · 100+, F
Wtf is the difference between them and aerials performers at the circus?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@SkeetSkeet watch the video and tell me
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Elanor · F
I never realised it went this far! .. nah it’s wrong to expose private parts in front of kids like this regardless of whatever gender a person is

It’s vulgar and kids shouldn’t be around it

The fact that the person who shared the video received death threats as well … something very sinister is going on with this

Children should have a childhood.

End of story
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Elanor its easy to miss it. Its covered up often that this type of thing happens. Just look at so many of the replies. Instead of saying a normal thing and showing disgust for what was shown, they deflect and lie.
Its sickening and more people need to stand up against this and to protect children from these perversions
😬😬😬
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
I mean it's kind of a weird setting to do stuff like that. Even if the kids literally do not care and the drag queens think they're doing something good, it's just not... the right time and place for it at all... how did I get here? 🤣
Torsten · 36-40, M
@MartinTheFirst exactly. They see there is children right there yet still do that shit in front of them and parents just sit there doing nothing. Its all very sick
LordShadowfire · 46-50
To answer the question you have asked directly, no. That particular type of drag show is definitely not okay for kids to watch.

To answer what you are implying, no, drag queen story hour isn't like that. Drag queen story hour is just a guy in a dress reading age appropriate stories to kids. In a library.
LordShadowfire · 46-50
@Torsten [quote]again so someone can not point out how disturbing and disgusting this type of thing is without having to talk about all drag shows?[/quote]
Of course they can. I'm just saying that's quite obviously your agenda here. Don't know why you keep denying it.
[quote]I have said it many times that drag shows should not be for children.[/quote]
Why? What aspect of all drag shows is problematic?
[quote]Never once did i claim this is the type of thing that happens at all of them.[/quote]
So what IS the problem, them? You're not saying all drag shows are like that, so what ARE you saying?
[quote]Same with drag queen happy hour that you keep bringing up.[/quote]
Story time. Not happy hour.
[quote]That shit has allowed some child sex offenders to be let in schools around children.[/quote]
So tighten security. Sex offenders don't belong around kids. What is your point? Are all drag queens sex offenders now?
[quote]Your logic though is if i dont think religion should be in schools, that i must hate and be against religion and that is clearly not the case.[/quote]
Nope. Nice straw man.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@JPWhoo drag queens have no reason to be in schools all together. Its idiotic to argue otherwise. And yes when even just one registered child sex offender gets brought in, it should have been enough to cancel all of it.
Anyone who disagrees, i assume is not a parent.

weird how you bring up race like that is even comparable to this situation.

so we back to blaming guns are we for that shooting? how bout parents and teachers take better notice of troubled kids and dont ignore signs that could lead to a school shooting? but again, this has nothing to do with this subject.
Drag queens again have no business being in schools. Its a joke that i even need to say that to some people
LordShadowfire · 46-50
@JPWhoo Pssst! Ask him why he thinks the video he shared is typical of all drag shows.
LordShadowfire · 46-50
I'm not even going to bother to watch your fucked up video. And not just because my phone is such a piece of crap that the video broke while I was writing this comment.

Because you're not providing an unbiased video of what actually happens during story hour.
LordShadowfire · 46-50
@Torsten I'm arguing about the fact that people who present videos like this are almost always trying to suggest that's what drag queen story hour is about. Again, if that wasn't what you were implying, okay. But you started out talking about things like that being the reason why drag queens should never be allowed around kids. What the fuck else was I supposed to think?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire yeah it could have nothing to do with adults dancing near naked for children. there must be another motive to speak out about this. You're a moron.
What were you meant think? how bout what was actually fucking wrote instead of you just assuming shit. If i wanted to say something about drag queen happy hour, believe me i would have. I have never held back on that and i never will. I dont need clowns like yourself trying to say i implied something that was not there.
LordShadowfire · 46-50
@Torsten YOU SAID IT RIGHT IN THE HEADING OF YOUR GODDAMN POST, YOU LIAR! DO I HAVE TO SCREENSHOT IT FOR YOU? HERE!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
RIGHT FUCKING THERE is where you implied children shouldn't be allowed around any drag queens!
LordShadowfire · 46-50
So, all drag shows aren't the same, yet you just know they are all inappropriate. And now your coward ass is deleting my posts because you can't respond to the fact that you keep contradicting yourself. Pathetic.
LordShadowfire · 46-50
@Torsten I think you'll find you'll run out of deletions. And if you were intellectually honest, I wouldn't have to keep doing this.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50
@Torsten I'm done spamming if you're done deleting. I want you to have to think about my comment. Even though you won't.

And the reason it bothers me when I'm blocked is, it means I'll never get through to someone who desperately needs a dose of truth.
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Torsten · 36-40, M
@graphite seems to be the case

 
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