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BrewCityBarfly · M
People really need to look at the timeline before spouting nonsense.
12/31 - The WHO and China admit an epidemic in Wuhan but did not indicate that it was human to human transmittable. The White House was hearing conflicting things from their sources.
1/6 - This administration and the CDC were already taking action issuing travel warnings and start to take steps to track things more closely and devising strategies.
1/14 - The WHO reiterates no evidence of human to human transmission, but this admin wasn't buying it based on other evidence they had acquired.
1/17 - CDC starts screening travelers from Wuhan.
1/20 - NIH starts preliminary steps for a vaccine.
1/22 - WHO and China acknowledge human to human transmission but downplay that there is an emergency. US is not buying it, and the CDC seeks authorization from the FDA on testing (by now we have 1 case in the US).
1/29 - Virus task force created and start to meet daily.
1/31 - Travel restriction put on China, which is criticized by Democrats and the mainstream media as an over-reach.
2/4 State of the Union address, in which the President addresses the virus and protecting Americans.
2/6 - CDC starts sending out test kits.
2/9 - State Governors briefed via Governor's meeting in DC.
2/11 - Work begins with J&J on a vaccine.
2/14 - Plans for community based surveillance and investigation of treatments.
2/24 - White House requests funding from Congress, which was rebuked by Nancy Pelosi.
These dates are all verifiable, and if you want an eye opener, check some of the headlines from the media during these 2 months, especially in the beginning. The WHO was complacent and the Chinese government anything but transparent as the virus spread in those initial months.
12/31 - The WHO and China admit an epidemic in Wuhan but did not indicate that it was human to human transmittable. The White House was hearing conflicting things from their sources.
1/6 - This administration and the CDC were already taking action issuing travel warnings and start to take steps to track things more closely and devising strategies.
1/14 - The WHO reiterates no evidence of human to human transmission, but this admin wasn't buying it based on other evidence they had acquired.
1/17 - CDC starts screening travelers from Wuhan.
1/20 - NIH starts preliminary steps for a vaccine.
1/22 - WHO and China acknowledge human to human transmission but downplay that there is an emergency. US is not buying it, and the CDC seeks authorization from the FDA on testing (by now we have 1 case in the US).
1/29 - Virus task force created and start to meet daily.
1/31 - Travel restriction put on China, which is criticized by Democrats and the mainstream media as an over-reach.
2/4 State of the Union address, in which the President addresses the virus and protecting Americans.
2/6 - CDC starts sending out test kits.
2/9 - State Governors briefed via Governor's meeting in DC.
2/11 - Work begins with J&J on a vaccine.
2/14 - Plans for community based surveillance and investigation of treatments.
2/24 - White House requests funding from Congress, which was rebuked by Nancy Pelosi.
These dates are all verifiable, and if you want an eye opener, check some of the headlines from the media during these 2 months, especially in the beginning. The WHO was complacent and the Chinese government anything but transparent as the virus spread in those initial months.
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VodkaBec · 31-35, F
@TexChik @SW-User @Platinum Personality I think they calculate these staggering losses again the cost to the public purse, after all people are disposable. As an Aussie I don’t speak highly of our government at all, particularly in recent times. But one thing they appear to have got right is our health care system (inherited from previous government) Per head of population we don’t suffer these losses and I attribute that to our health care system, well for now anyway. 🤷♀️ Personally I believe these numbers can be cut down enormously only if they were prepared to spend the money.
TexChik · F
@VodkaBec actually it’s computer models . The same model theory that predict global warming ( man made) when there isn’t a shred of evidence to support the theory ... Only man made computer models with predetermined variables ( to get the desired results) . In England , their model prediction of Covid19 deaths changed by over 50% by implementing social distancing . 50%! Thst pretty much says all you need to know about those models ... highly speculative ...at best. Basically they don’t know , but leftists are going to latch on to the worst case scenarios .
VodkaBec · 31-35, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Hmmmm that’s a worry.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NenaRussa Where are you getting your information? Curious. I haven't heard that before.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
curiosi · 61-69, F
Fear mongering serves only to make things worse. His calm demeanor is nice amongst the back drop of the media who has done nothing to give us useful information only sighting numbers to instill fear.
Trump has just sent a navy hospital to NYC it has 1,000 beds and 12 operating rooms. This to insure that the hospitals don't get overwhelmed and all can find treatment. I could go on, but those of us who know don't need more info and those that wish to hate will never be convinced.
Trump has just sent a navy hospital to NYC it has 1,000 beds and 12 operating rooms. This to insure that the hospitals don't get overwhelmed and all can find treatment. I could go on, but those of us who know don't need more info and those that wish to hate will never be convinced.
VodkaBec · 31-35, F
@ancientmariner Filling people with false hope is dangerous in these situations, as if people weren’t blasé enough about it as it is. It’s important to give people accurate information so they can understand the gravity of the situation and take the appropriate steps to protect themselves and people around them.
yeronlyman · 51-55, M
Political divide and conquer may be one thing in general terms but is Detrimental in times of crisis
A narcissistic self centred bastard (excuse my French as we say in Ireland) will be exposed in a crisis
Support states, rally people
Be a “war” president
Churchill was a genius at that while Trump is a lame duck
A narcissistic self centred bastard (excuse my French as we say in Ireland) will be exposed in a crisis
Support states, rally people
Be a “war” president
Churchill was a genius at that while Trump is a lame duck
Taking it "seriously" I don't think is really the issue. He's grappling with it now, even if he seemed not to at first.
The bigger questions are how he's dealing with it and what his motivations are.
For example, I think he was trying to inject confidence into the system by talking up the malaria drug, and even making the states compete against each other and the feds for supplies and demanding subjugation from governor's if they want help is consistent with his management style.
The how seems pretty f-d up to me, but it's not like he's not applying his best skills to the problem.
Motivation is trickier, because to a degree his own political and financial interests are still not obviously divergent from the public interest. It something to always watch, given for example that population centers potentially most subject to quarantine are not Trump country, and crap like that signing statement, but realistically, there's nothing that can be done about Trump putting Trump over the country or the law until the election, anyway after impeachment failed and Republicans said they don't care what he does as long as they get a piece of the action.
This latest depreciation thing in the stimulus package is a pretty good example of that. But it's not really that different than the earlier tax cuts, and in exchange for it, some lower income folks might get a little relief.
The bigger questions are how he's dealing with it and what his motivations are.
For example, I think he was trying to inject confidence into the system by talking up the malaria drug, and even making the states compete against each other and the feds for supplies and demanding subjugation from governor's if they want help is consistent with his management style.
The how seems pretty f-d up to me, but it's not like he's not applying his best skills to the problem.
Motivation is trickier, because to a degree his own political and financial interests are still not obviously divergent from the public interest. It something to always watch, given for example that population centers potentially most subject to quarantine are not Trump country, and crap like that signing statement, but realistically, there's nothing that can be done about Trump putting Trump over the country or the law until the election, anyway after impeachment failed and Republicans said they don't care what he does as long as they get a piece of the action.
This latest depreciation thing in the stimulus package is a pretty good example of that. But it's not really that different than the earlier tax cuts, and in exchange for it, some lower income folks might get a little relief.
VodkaBec · 31-35, F
@MistyCee Agreed, I think he is grappling with it now. But is this because he was advised too to avoid political suicide. Personally I think the man is a bit of a narcissist with sociopathic tendencies and his latest comments about the volume of disposable citizens (not in those words) seams to provide some evidence of that, it also reflects in the way he speaks, and yes the how does seam pretty f—d up. Thanks for your response, it was thought provoking.
latinbutterfly · F
StrictSouthernHOH · 46-50, M
VodkaBec · 31-35, F
@StrictSouthernHOH It looked as if he was down playing it in the beginning. I don’t think it was particularly smart to say it was no big deal, it gave people a false sense of security.
VodkaBec · 31-35, F
@StrictSouthernHOH Like Australia, he was slow to lock the country down and educate people about social distancing. The fact is when other countries have done this the infection rate starts to drop off immediately. I was flabbergasted when I heard our stupid leaders babbling on about “modeling” how about not trying to reinvent the wheel and do as China did, save the modeling for the catwalk.
StrictSouthernHOH · 46-50, M
@snofan He cannot unilaterally lock down the whole country.
That would violate our Constitution and states' rights. He cannot even limit interstate travel without the approval of the same congress that impeached him and has obstructed him since his inauguration.
That would violate our Constitution and states' rights. He cannot even limit interstate travel without the approval of the same congress that impeached him and has obstructed him since his inauguration.
quitwhendone · M
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
@hippyjoe1955 monduro got a Warrent for drug trafficking in the USA. He’s second in command hands himself in.. trump merges the fed and the treasury taking control..
Where’s the media?? Calling the virus is racist ... 🤣👌
Where’s the media?? Calling the virus is racist ... 🤣👌
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msros · F
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays Rubber, to catch a frog.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
Oh, yes. Dr. Birx said: “He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues.”
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Steve42 · 56-60, M
100k cases plus means he failed miserably. In fairness I don't know if it could have been stopped.
AmericanBroad · 31-35, FVIP
Yes I think so
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MethDozer · M
Hard to say. You never really know what Trump takes seriously or doesn't and that in and of itself is a problem.
I can't praise him or bash him about this situation.
I can't praise him or bash him about this situation.