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How long till we can be 100 that the vaccine is safe?

It doesn't seem as good as it was meant to be because we all have to have boosters now, apparently. If the whole thing was just to make it seem as if we were doing something useful, thats OK, but only if in a few years people DON'T start having babies born with health problems.
AbbySvenz · F
Novel coronavirus, novel vaccines.

Multi-dose vaccines are nothing new, nor are booster shots.
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
@xSharp You've said nothing of substance and failed to justify a single claim.
Here's a summary
1- (Covid) "has killed 5 million...it's not the black plague"
2- You're not vaccinated "because i dont want to help create vaccine resistant strains that kill even more". Apparently now the number of deaths is a big deal 🤷‍♂️

When shown that vaccine resistance isn't the same as antibiotic resistance
3- You mentioned how something on that site mentioned kyle rittenhouse acquittal as if it disqualified it.
4 - when shown it was written by actual experts in the field you make a bullshit claim "your source read that flu viruses like covid are inherently resistant to vaccines due to constant mutations"
5- When I quote the article directly and call you out on your bullshit you say "should is not good enough"...as if that makes any sense to the point you were trying to make.

and then..."I've said my piece and justified it"

You're a fuckwit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
xSharp · 31-35, M
@EuphoricTurtle you seem to become very angry when people disagree with you, start name calling, this reflects poorly on yourself. Relax, Its not the end of the world buddy 🤗
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
@xSharp You got me all wrong, I love fuckwits...they're hilarious 😉

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Nothing is 100% safe in this life. Nothing.

But if you'd like to compare the mRNA covid vaccines, which had 95% efficacy against the original covid strain, to other vaccines, the following data might be useful.

The MMR vaccine, combining vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella, was released 50 years ago in 1971. By 1980, all US states had adopted requirements for mandatory MMR vaccinations for public school; these days it's a 2-dose regimen.
The Tdap vaccine - a follow-on the early childhood 5-dose DTaP - was released in 2005, and, like MMR, is required in all US states for public school.
[b]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-mandates-in-schools-arent-new-theyve-been-used-since-1850#A-history-of-vaccine-mandates-in-schools[/b]

See that? A 5-dose regimen, mandated for all public school children in the . And it's not controversial.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Without deliberate misinformation and fearmongering, he would be silent.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@ElwoodBlues I rarely ever block people, but I'm glad to have that idiot in the blacklist.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Elessar he is ridiculous
You can't ever be 100% sure on an individual level. Severe side effects are incredibly rare, but they do happen. The only way to know you're not a one in a hundred million unlucky person is by taking it and experiencing no major negative effects.

Other than that, the basic technology is over 2 decades old so we can be pretty sure about how rare long term damage is for the population or average person.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Influenza has been around since the dawn of civilization, and at present count, kills about 600,000 a year. The vaccine for is has been around nearly 100 years now, and it's not "100%" effective nor safe either...

So for all these people that think covid will simply "go away", or that these fear mongerers will develop some magical cure, stop deluding yourselves ffs...
🤦‍♀️ Too... much... stupid... can't compute... 🤦‍♀️
BlueVeins · 22-25
i mean i got mine in like may and i'm doing fine (:
BlueVeins · 22-25
@IndigoSavage The mRNA from the vaccine isn't even in my body anymore. It ain't doin' dick; the only thing that's left is the new knowledge my cells' immune system have.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueVeins Want to bet that the mRNA only created a transient antibody? I would take you bet since in order to get your body to create that antibody the vax had to do some things that you probably won't like as you take your third and fourth and fifth and sixth booster. I had the disease. A mild cold and now unlike the jabbed I have full immunity.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@hippyjoe1955 The process by which the mRNA vaccine induces the production of antibodies is pretty simple and not at all scary. All it does is tell the cells in my arm muscle to produce some chunks of spike protein, which then get targeted and analyzed by my immune system. It's relatively similar to what happened in your body when you got infected, except without the risk of long-term lung & olfactory damage.

I had two friends who had COVID-19. One of them suffered sepsis as a result and had to be hospitalized. She was unconscious for so long that the ring on her finger got stuck; treatment caused her to gain weight and her flesh grew around the damn thing so bad that the damn ring had to be broken. The other friend's sense of smell got so critically fucked up that she couldn't go anywhere near fried food for MONTHS without genuinely wanting to vomit. It smelled like rotting meat to her. I'm glad to hear that you got through it ok, but not all of us are so lucky.

And unlike you, I'm going to still have immunity in a year, since I'm going to get the booster and you're not. Unless you plan on getting the virus over and over again, which if that's your plan, enjoy living in hell for the rest of your life lmao
acpguy · C
What I really do not like hearing coming out of the phony liberals / socialist that are trying to control the masses is that the shots are a "vaccine" as it is only affects the receptor cells of the virus like you see in cancer drugs. A true vaccine causes an immune response like Polio, smallpox or tetanus vaccines. [u]Definition of a vaccine[/u]: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as
a : an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see attenuated sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as a bacterium or virus) or one of its components or products (such as a protein or toxin)
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]How long till we can be 100 that the vaccine is safe?[/quote]

We already know that it is NOT 100% safe.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP That is what the most basic science is. If you can't replicate what someone tells you then what someone tells you is likely not true. Science is not about experts or education or peer review or any thing of the sort. It is looking for evidence to confirm or deny the veracity of someone's claims. If an alchemist tells you that he has turned lead into gold how could you prove otherwise? If someone says that one in 62 people are dying from a horrible disease how would you prove it? Obviously looking at academe might be a start but unless you see it on the ground where you are it is likely not true.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP [quote]we also know the virus isn't 100% safe[/quote]

So, you can see the problem.
I can do common sense things to avoid the virus which is not 100% safe.
I can also avoid the vaccine which is not 100% safe.

Why would a government that claims to care about me,
[b][i][u]force [/u][/i][/b]me to take a vaccine that everyone knows is not 100% safe?
chibs · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 "That is how science works”

No, that’s how confirmation bias, self-deception, and cherry-picking work. Science is designed to stop that from happening. Your anecdotes have no standing
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
Because it was rushed, it normally takes about 10-12 years to get a new medicine to the market. There are usually long and short term clinical trials. This whole package was delivered in less than 18 months.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Roadsterrider If you think that marginally different applications for old technologies are potentially dangerous, then honestly how do you do anything without expecting to die? The vast majority of foods that you could buy are made from recipes that've been changed sometime in the past 15 years, does that keep you up at night? Do you not get your yearly influenza vaccine because those get changed annually?
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins No, not really, I sleep well, but changes in recipes isn't at all likely to affect my body on a cellular level causing changes. I don't get a flu vaccine because I don't generally get the flu. In the past I have gotten the flu vaccine and felt like doggy doo for a few days, when I don't get the flu vaccine, and I don't get the flu, I don't have to feel bad for those few days. New technology is a wonderful thing, in 10 or 15 years they come up with mRNA vaccines for cancer, I will most likely get a vaccine. But, I don't want to be forced into getting a vaccine.

Medicine is not a one size fits all thing. Penicillin is a wonder drug, except for people who are allergic to it. If my wife gets it, a minute or two later, she can't breathe.

Mercury in older vaccines, it damaged some people.
AbbySvenz · F
Also: Cancer research is not virus research@Roadsterrider
Adogslife · 61-69, M
By “we” do you mean logical people? Unselfish people? Older people? People with health concerns? If that’s the case, you’ll get close.

If you mean “all” people, 100% is mathematically impossible. If it was Cholera, bubonic plague, smallpox, and influenza all wrapped into one pandemic, today you’d still have your naysayers.
black4white · 56-60, M
jsut look at the history of all other vaccines given in the past 100 years... they give them to babies and children and and and... vaccines are basically a part of life.

Flu..rubella..measles..mumps...chicken chicken pox... the list goes on

You tell me what is the difference with this then the others?
Cowboybob · M
You can’t ever prove a negative
spjennifer · 56-60, T
You could walk out of your house tomorrow and be hit by a bus, nothing is 100% certain in life but you have to trust someone at some point. 7 Billion doses of the vaccine have been administered worldwide by now...
Elessar · 26-30, M
When one's in their deathbed with severe covid, apparently. Considering that the 99.999% of them ask to get vaccinated when they're in the ICU, too bad it's practically useless at that point.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
probably about the same time that all these idiots that buy into all this fear mongering pull their heads from their asses... 🤔
curiosi · 61-69, F
We already know it isn't safe. The evidence is everywhere but some choose to ignore it.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@curiosi You know nothing of the sort. Study after study after study and statistical report after statistical report shows exactly the opposite. Sadly the 'official narrative' and corporate media (but I repeat myself) have a financial interest in getting as many people vaxed as possible so those contrary studies and reports are not brought to light for the general public. Sadly you are the victim of misinformation. Here is a clue. No vax is declared safe after a year. Or even 2 years. It is fully 5 years before the safety can be determined. Oh BTW did you see that Pfizer report that showed that its vaxes were killing almost 14 people a day in the first 90 days of it being administered? How is that considered safe?
i mean. for a very materialistic perspective, as everything runs on money: do you think hospitals would risk getting sued? why would they offer it if they knew the vaccine was shit? yeah, there have been mistakes. but also successes. chances are this is going to be a regular part of human life. our population size has reached an unnatural level and we are bridging human life with medical technology.
Jake966 · 56-60, M
I don’t trust it and won’t take it
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
If you are referring to the mRNA covid vaxes please avoid them at all costs. They are destroying women's and babies lives at a horrendous rate. One small region in Ontario Canada has had 86 stillbirths since the vax program began. Normal rate for that region is about 5. Still births happen naturally but not at this rate. My daughter was talking to her OBGYN who told her that all of her pregnant patients who were jabbed early in their pregnancy miscarried in the first trimester. 100%. The abortion industry isn't that effective at killing babies. So so very very very sad.
RoxClymer · 41-45, M
the immediate safety is fine few side affects, long term were are really going to have to wait 20 yrs
@RoxClymer Either that, or look at the 20 years where very similar vaccines have been used without problems.
BigBulge · 41-45, M
Let's see. Should we choose a mostly effective vaccine, or should we choose DEATH ?
YMITheWayIM · 46-50, M
100% ?
Never.
We also haven't been attacking the virus with a united front, so it's been allowed to mutate in the 3rd world
FeetAreFantastic · 41-45, M
Nothing is ever 100% perfect in life.
Its the best we have and still far better than not vaccinating.
Also it is pretty normal to have to re-apply a vaccine. Its also very normal that effectiveness diminishes, also because of mutations, so they will keep working on updating the vaccine.
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SW-User
@Lilnonames well dammit. I took two shots and the booster, all Moderna. Where's my third boob???
acpguy · C
@SW-User Better check, it causes a third nut on guys.🤣
Lilnonames · F
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Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@swirlie https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/pregnancy-breastfeeding.html

According to the CDC, most newborns positive for covid have no or mild symptoms and recover, a few develop more serious symptoms. Mainly it is a non-issue for newborns.

 
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