How long till we can be 100 that the vaccine is safe?

@Budwick we also know the virus isn't 100% safe

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP My brother in law took the vax. We buried him two days later. I got covid. I was completely over it 4 days later. Brother in law spent his last two days fighting for breath as the blood clots obstructed his lungs. I had funny tasting food for a few days and a bit of a cough. Oh and I had the most wonderful sleeps. Sadly 4 days later everything was back to normal.

@hippyjoe1955 then I'm sad over and happy for the anecdotes respectively. I'm sure they affected the statistics as far as 2 cases would

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP They don't effect the statistics at all but they do provide a hint as to whether the statistics are believable or not. If someone tells you that there is a bad flu going around and you know a dozen people who are sick then it is very believable that there is a bad flu going around. Ditto a mild flu or cold. However if someone says there is a really killer flu going around and you need to take drastic measures and you can't find anyone who has had a serious flu or died from it you are legitimate if you doubt the numbers. That is how science works. It is observation and evaluation. It is not some government official or official website with all kinds of graphs and scary numbers. If the disease is around you will know about it. The 1918 flu was a deadly disease. How do I know? My great uncle died from it and my wife's great uncle died from it as well. That tells me that the numbers are believable.

@hippyjoe1955 you're right about much of that but not the part about science. That's not science, that's human nature: believing in what's visible and tactile. Not what's abstract and theoretical. You say once your ancestor died from the Spanish Flu, so I guess you have good call to believe it. Well I don't know anyone who died from it, so why should I believe it happened?

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP That is what the most basic science is. If you can't replicate what someone tells you then what someone tells you is likely not true. Science is not about experts or education or peer review or any thing of the sort. It is looking for evidence to confirm or deny the veracity of someone's claims. If an alchemist tells you that he has turned lead into gold how could you prove otherwise? If someone says that one in 62 people are dying from a horrible disease how would you prove it? Obviously looking at academe might be a start but unless you see it on the ground where you are it is likely not true.

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP
So, you can see the problem.
I can do common sense things to avoid the virus which is not 100% safe.
I can also avoid the vaccine which is not 100% safe.

Why would a government that claims to care about me,
force me to take a vaccine that everyone knows is not 100% safe?

@hippyjoe1955 "That is how science works”

No, that’s how confirmation bias, self-deception, and cherry-picking work. Science is designed to stop that from happening. Your anecdotes have no standing