Potentially unpopular opinion of the day: If you have ever said the words, "People who commit sui are the most selfish people in the world"...

@foldedunfolding

I think it's just a really hard thing - even for trained & experienced professionals.

@GuiltyBiStander ofc it is. im just saying..until you have put in work and known every underpinning of their mental/spiritual/emotion dysfunction, who are you to cast the first stone? trained and experienced professionals should also stay away from stones.

@GuiltyBiStander you dont have to SAVE them. but you DO have to NOT call them selfish when you are not them.

@GuiltyBiStander it is super super heart-rending on both sides 😪

@foldedunfolding I knew someone who took that route due to physical health problems. She had tried everything else but to no avail.

I imagine a lot of people have "idealizations" of it. I have before. I figure though at my age I will be gone soon enough so why rush it. Besides, I am just not ready to leave yet.

I think ending it all should be only a last resort like if someone had nothing to live for.

But look, okay so now that you are on this side of 35 or maybe 40, try not to forget this - a lot of the BS that young adults deal with, we are passed all that. No one is pressuring us to marry, have kids, sustain awkward relationships, go to school, asking what we are going to be when we grow up (I still do not know), trying to get us involved in toxic situations, etc.

We spend the first half of our lives living for everyone else. It is time now to live for ourselves.

@Punches thank you for that advice..it is lovely to think about! sadly, i still get a lot of pressure on my end..some societal,.some family, some my own expectations. i feel i should have at least one divorce under my belt by now, to show others i was at least loved that much once lol. but im with you..i dont want to have lived a life of pain, as i have..for 40 long years..only to have it be for naught.

@foldedunfolding It has been said that for every opportunity we take, we forego 1,000 others.

I mean if you wanted to marry or at least have a relationship with someone, you probably still could.
Think of this - by our age, we all know how life works and are not as likely to make the mistakes that 20 somethings do.

@Thevy29 good man ♡♡

@Thevy29 I feel like it's something people say when they are hurt by it. Like, they literally interpret it as someone killing themselves at them.

@LordShadowfire yeah like i get it if you're a child left behind and stuff, esp if the person did legit nothing to care for themselves and such. like the singer of Linkin Park had HOW many kids..and he was a devotee of chris cornell. RIGHT after chris did it, he did too. he had so much money to seek help with, and im not sure what all he did to seek that help. but why would you have -i think- like SIX KIDS first..when you know all your songs even indicate depression? it almost felt like a copycat suicide to me, or a: if my hero is killed, he MUST be going to heaven, by virtue of being my hero. therefore..i would go to heaven if i did it too.

@foldedunfolding people like you are pathetic you think you are right about everything to be honest i shouldnt give a rats ass about anyone on this joke of a site suicidal or not no one gave a shit when i was suicidal and they was posting laughing emojis and daring me to go ahead and do it so why should i care about anyone else on here including you

@ExperienceDLT I didn't say you're wrong or right. Jeez. Just surprised. It's an expression of surprise.

@foldedunfolding
Yes.
Also, depression that's refractory to treatment.
Depression is an extremely painful experience.
And not all depression is curable.

@foldedunfolding Just pulling your leg..

@Anton don't come near me. do not pull anything.

@Anton dont pull nothin Anton

@CrazyMusicLover yeah like..to me, as a Christian, it is the ultimate spiritual warfare...and that is no joke, a human against the forces of evil! i get that we need to put on the full armor of God, but to a mentally ill or spiritually wounded person..that is NOT always easy.

@nonsensiclesnail great point!!

@SUPERVlXEN then you agree with my post lol

@foldedunfolding
I think the subject is much deeper and broader than simple gotcha logic. It's not helping those suffering. But sure, make your little lol if it helps you in any way.

@SUPERVlXEN i am so confused. you legit said it is NOT selfishness..and i said it is NOT selfishness in my post. so we..agree.

@BabyLonia anger as a STAGE, i get. but perpetuating that character assassination past a short time..im not wit it.

@foldedunfolding i just think they have never experienced or felt that pain and so have no empathy

@BabyLonia that is the purpose of my post..to help people to PRE dispose themselves to at LEAST: sympathy.

@iamonfire696 danggg i am soo sorry. and to be clear, im not saying there arent people left behind that are hurting. There is an aspect of attention on oneself with the act, of course, but that is kinda the nature of depression. I'm not saying it is an entirely ethical or blameless thing to do; I am saying that comments villifying an already SUPER sad person...kinda unempathetic.

@foldedunfolding I completely understand what you’re saying in your message.

It’s so hard living in the depression and despair. I have had ideations at times but they don’t last and I would never act on them so I don’t know exactly what it’s like to be in that mindset 24/7.

It’s not selfish though, they want to end their pain and suffering. We are being selfish by wanting them to keep living through so much pain.

I am not saying suicide in the answer but when people are terminal we make allowances for them to go at their own terms. If someone has many psychiatric issues and no treatment has helped, isn’t it selfish to want them to keep living through that?

@LordShadowfire precisely..this is why i wont keep a gun in my house, even as protection. i do not have faith in myself to not use it on myself when my depression is that bad. my family has turned on me, so yeah..i get extreeeemely lonely and wonder the point of anything at all. if anything, i am selflessly missing them, and they have alienated me. but im sure if i ended my own life, they would merely use it to bolster their already nefarious opinions of me.

@foldedunfolding People say stupid shit like "Oh, just don't have those thoughts," or "Don't feel that way," as if those feelings are less valid than feeling angry or sad. It's already been established that stuffing your thoughts and feelings is a stupid way of dealing with them, that never works. The best way is to just explore the underlying thought process that gets you there.