@wildbill83 I stand corrected. But you have not exactly increased the credibility of your post by including Charles and Al Gore who are quite definitely not experts. As for whether the others were experts in the field they were passing judgement on, well I suspect that some were not and were exaggerating for effect.
@Nimbus there are some also feeding off of the negative energy which is called Loosh, that society gives off when they are living in a state of constant fear.
@Matt85 So how is it that the descendants of rapists, murderers, terrorists and genocidists are perfectly fine (and more often than not, living with all comforts provided by the wealth their ancestors stole), whereas it's mostly kids of perfect nobodys that your god is punishing?
And those kids don't receive any help. They die, of cancer, like the adults who contract that very same form of cancer. Whether they ask for "forgiveness" or don't.
@Nitedoc [quote]Remember those tobacco scientists and medical doctors who sat before congress, under oath, and said cigarettes are not addictive or harmful? I do.[/quote] 🤦♂️ Those are the same experts that today are getting paid to tell you that climate change is not real/not man-made.
Because each of those "predictions" then came with the caveat of "unless we do something about it". And in the case of acid rain and the ozone layer, we did.
@PoetryNEmotion No they have high reputations in their fields and recieve this "expert" title from the scientific community through hard work, contributions to their field and insights.
funny how all these environmentalists & "experts" like Al Gore were basically broke 20-30 years ago, and now they have net worths of $250+ million and live in extravagant beach side mansions that were "supposed" to have been underwater by now... 🤔
It wouldn't matter if they got them wrong if governments, local and national, didn't rely on them for decision-making. Experts can make all the faulty predications they like (and they will), but why should their views, which are often demonstrably flawed or wrong, count above everything else? "Expertise" isn't just a tool for supposed guidance, but one for coercion and suppression of will.
Most of those dire predictions say "unless we start fixing such and such a problem then ..." this or that bad thing will happen.
BTW, I challenge you to show me an expert who predicted "another ice age in 10 years." I challenge you to show me an expert who predicted "acid rain will destroy all crops in 10 years." I challenge you to show me an expert who predicted "the ozone layer will be destroyed in 10 years." Got links and quotes, or just straw men???
BTW taxes went down in a few of those decades, so the claim "all resulted in more taxes" is also false.
All in all, quite a fine collection of falsehoods!!!
@ElwoodBlues Mr elwood, I am guessing that you are at least in your 30s. If not then never mind but if so, surely you remember when all these ideas that were listed were being pushed. At the very least about the ozone and acid rain. Who knows whether or not some expert said it but unless you have Alzheimer's or amnesia, then you surely remember when they pushed those ideas. Kind of like when your precious covid-19 was new and they were talking about it spreading like wildfire and we were all going to die and all this crap. But now that that hole charade is over people have conveniently forgotten about that one as well.
I already know you're thinking, where's the proof where's the charts where are the web links. I am not about to dig that crap up but surely you remember that unless you are suffering early onset dementia
@CestManan I certainly remember hearing that these issues were problems. But I'm calling bulllshit on the ten year timeframes. That's a straw man.
Regarding Covid-19, the claim was a 1% fatality rate made worse by overflowing hospitals. The " we were all going to die" is bullllshit.
I'm calling bulllshit on the exaggerations. If you were to accurately quote the warnings, the were rational and based on solid data. If you need to exaggerate the warnings to the point of absurdity, you don't actually have much of a case. And lets not forget reductions in taxes in many of those decades.
"Experts" can propose all of these disasters, or even wish for them, and collect the taxes, but in the end, GOD disposes of the "experts". HE has a massive sense of humor, and is completely unpredictable. 😊
I hate to keep using this word but this is another very nuanced topic. There are many different scenarios with these studies, are all of your examples in the 'worst case' scenario? 🧐
Oh they're always on about some bullsh*t that's going to end the world. And people keep believing this type of crap over and over. By the way I forgot all about that acid rain thing, what a nostalgic memory :-)
I remember in the early '90s when they were pushing the idea of the rapture and I asked my dad why people were not freaking out. He was like, they've been saying that for 2000 years.
@CestManan Yeah, we FIXED acid rain in the developed world with environmental regulations. Surely you didn't forget about all those environmental regulations?
The units are megatons per year; the graphs are smoothed. European emissions of sulphur dioxide (SO2—black), nitrogen oxides (NOx, calculated as NO2—green) and ammonia (NH3—blue) 1880–2020 (updated from Fig. 2 in Schöpp et al. 2003)
@CestManan You obviously don't live in the northeast where forests were decimated by acid rain. I didn't know acid rain denial was such a big thing!
Environmental regulations reduced SO2 which reduced sulfuric acid in rain. What a difference 30 years made! Note that rising pH means falling acidity. Every increase of 1 in pH equates to a reduction by a factor of 10 in acid concentration. pH of 7 is neutral.
You picked the predictions with care. So we're done. Murkan people don't want to plan for the future? But you are - the future is war. Nobody can stop you. Planning for life is not good. You win.
{@nimbus] 😆lol when you ask questions like this nimby you deserve for all you get .🤔how really wrong the football pundits are on match of the day when they manchester united are a good team under erik tea bag
I know you are a FIFA fan....but commentators spend months publishing and revamping college draft projections and NONE of them EVER get ANY of them right. It's almost impossible to do so...
The antarctic ozone hole is a case that demonstrates both humanity's ability to affect the atmosphere and humanity's ability to fix the damage we've done. The ozone hole began shrinking when we reduced CFC outputs by over 99%.
[quote]NASA began measuring Earth’s stratospheric ozone layer by satellite in 1979. By the time the Montreal Protocol went into effect in 1989, ozone concentrations (in Dobson units) had declined significantly over the Antarctic, enlarging the ozone hole. [/quote]
The American Chemical Society says: [quote] [b]Chlorofluorocarbons and Ozone Depletion[/b] A National Historic Chemical Landmark . . . “When we realized there was a very effective chain reaction, that changed the CFC investigation from an interesting scientific problem to one that had major environmental consequences,” Rowland told Chemical & Engineering News in an extensive interview in 2007. “You don’t often get many chills down your back when you look at scientific results,” he added, but that had been one of those moments.[/quote] https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/cfcs-ozone.html
European emissions of sulphur dioxide (SO2—black), nitrogen oxides (NOx, calculated as NO2—green) and ammonia (NH3—blue) 1880–2020 (updated from Fig. 2 in Schöpp et al. 2003)
