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Some want a free college education? Please tell me how serious they took their free high school education.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Seriously enough to know an adverb or adjective when I see one...

It was not "high school" here (UK), but until the huge change to "Comprehensive Education" - marred by a lot of local politicking in some boroughs - we went from Primary School to either a Secondary Modern, or a Grammar, School, depending on a rather arbitrary test at age 11 of our educational aptitude.

In either case it was always free to the family (paid for from national tax revenues), and still is though now via contractors pretentiously calling the ordinary schools they operate, "academies" or "colleges". I think they should have stayed State-owned!

How seriously you took your education was very much down to us; and that is still the case of course, irrespectively of school type. It evidently worked for most of my widely-ranging circles of friends and relatives, because they have followed formal trade training or further education; with very many having graduated from university with at least a Degree.

(I didn't go to university, but that was because even if I had wanted to do, and despite attending a local Grammar School and taking the education seriously, I was not bright enough to have gained the requisite "Advanced Level" examination passes at age 17-18, as foundation qualifications.)

Few in Britain have had a private education, i.e. in the "Public Schools", because those are and always were very expensive. Unless you are lucky enough to gain a Bursary your parents have to pay all the tuition, accommodation and staff fees.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Joeyyy Indeed, with university education, although you are not expected to repay the Student Loan until earning above a certain threshold - so does that deter ambition?

Universities are still busy so it has not deterred people from further education; but having gained that degree (or Masters, or PhD) then embarked on a career hopefully using it, do many then prefer to stay at relatively modest levels professionally?
Joeyyy · 26-30, M
@ArishMell likely not, though rn maintenance loans being far under inflation, and students pushed into the costly private rental market due to the severe lack of housing is certainly an issue, though a different one.

An issue for renters in general tbh as even less options for none students atm.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Joeyyy A good point, and as you say, far beyond only students.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
I took it serious as I wanted to get in to my gymnasial program.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
I think there is a big difference on how seriously people take opt in vs mandatory things. You put a lot of people somewhere they don't want to be or don't understand the value of and not taking it seriously is what you would expect.

Free college doesn't mean people would be forced to go to college like they are high school.

Personally I feel that it needs to extend beyond college and cover trade schools as well. Lot of trades require some education but not a full degree and I don't see why plumbers and electricians of the future should not get the same benefit of free career training.
HootyTheNightOwl · 36-40
@ViciDraco They can take an NVQ to learn plumbing, electricals and even some construction here.

They work full time (Monday - Friday 9-5)... for a "wage" of £80 a fortnight, which is paid in arrears.

I get that they are in training and it costs something to provide - but a wage that they stand half a chance of making ends meet on would be nice.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@HootyTheNightOwl yeah, that's just taking advantage of people. A fortnight is two weeks, no? Can they even eat lunch every day on that kind of wage?
HootyTheNightOwl · 36-40
@ViciDraco Yes, they have to go two weeks on £80.

I managed to get some sort of lunch (wasn't necessarily healthy or nutritious) every day, and pay my bus fare to work and back (I had to keep my receipts and claim that back from the shop I worked in).

I was also living by myself at the time, too - so I was also trying to run a house on that.
Joeyyy · 26-30, M
Not really, if you want a good economy you need high skilled workers, many can't afford the 10s of thousands in student debt, or the general living costs which then creates severe wealth inequality like in the US today.

If you want people to do well you have to invest in them, nobody gets anywhere without help.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@Joeyyy should personal finance be taught in high school
Joeyyy · 26-30, M
@MarineBob Actually yes it should, basic life skill. High school should prepare kids for life. Also tell me a high schooler who can afford to pay for college on their below average wages.
Magnolia21 · 18-21, F
I saw people upset when a person's parents stopped paying the way for their child to party through college, people upset when the government won't just hand out $40k checks to everyone studying art history, and people upset that those that work for a living didn't want to help pay for it either.
Your point being?
Personally I didn't take high school seriously It was a horrible time but now I take my time at university very seriously.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@PrincessOfHell is your seriousness a factor of it costing you money to be there? Or the fact that you identified a goal to pursue that took you through it? Would you take it less serious if it were free?
@ViciDraco It costs me next to nothing since the system here in Germany is good. I take it seriously cause I have passion and goals and because being at University studying amongst people with similar interests is amazing.
Most take University seriously and those who do not simply leave to pursue something else.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@PrincessOfHell That is what I thought, and I think that is amazing. We get a lot of people in the US that get halfway through, realize they hate what they chose and then have to double down on debt to pay for a different degree focus or can't afford more debt so just suffer through trying to make a living out of something they hate.

Paying for university doesn't really get people to take it seriously, it traps them in misery.
Thevy29 · 36-40, M
Well, The TAFE College was quite cheap in comparison to Uni. And they often had the same courses too. So it was cheaper all round.
@Thevy29 Tech schools are the same here and you dont usually have to take the extra classes that have zero to do with the field you're choosing.
Thevy29 · 36-40, M
@Tiredish That just makes things so much simpler.
Are you looking for actual responses here?

That would potentially save you and the responders a lot of time.
@southerngent No, actually except some take take themselves way to seriously here.
@Tiredish yeah that makes more sense. I’m all about efficiency
@southerngent Ditto.
Emjay · 18-21, F
Some do receive a free college education, either through rich family or excellent grades.
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
Please. Public school education is a joke at best. University is where you really start to learn about the real world.
@DearAmbellina2113 I am just trying to say, if they don't took the school education seriously, they neither can perform well at University, nor they are entitled to it before getting their basics strong.
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
@ABCDEF7 trust me they can. College is way more interesting than high school and they're treated like adults. That makes a huge difference.
@DearAmbellina2113 Are you not forgetting the students those achieve good marks at school level. There are many university students who got failed or drops out just because they can't do well in the subjects and founds then uninteresting that otherwise are considered interesting.

The problem is with concentration levels of students not with just the subjects.
When should education not be state subsidized?
Casheyane · 26-30, F
@sexyjigsaw Let's just add 'quality' before education on that.

@Casheyane agreed

But if the money is there, why not pay for it?
MarineBob · 56-60, M
How many will be spending thousands of dollars in the next few weeks for spring break
Seriously enough to graduate with honors but no scholarship ? But I lived during times one could work their way through college, and I also had parents who could help.
I understand that most schools are much harder for even the best students to afford, nowadays. My brother and I have been helping our niece with costs, so she won’t be burdened with debt afterwards. She graduates from Stanford in June.
I took it incredibly seriously even though I struggled with it. I didn’t expect a free college education because I knew I would not get any academic scholarships nor did I qualify for federal grants. While I knew I would excel in what I desired my profession to be with a degree, financially it wasn’t possible.
Some people ignore the government responsibility in a civil society -. Mostly pro war and prison people. They're dangerous. They're getting their way, instead of democracy. That's America.
Without entitlements that we guaranteed, no peace. Dead ecosystem. Enslaved society. Like I said -. America.
Exactly. Even highschool should be paid for in full by the parents. Maybe then parents will make their children take highschool seriously
Imsleepy · 26-30
Perhaps you wouldn’t be one of the most ignorant people here if your parents had saw to it that you received any education, paid or not. @Stargazer89
@Imsleepy typical socialist
If you don't want to be educated then don't be. But leave other people's dreams of higher education alone. Also don't ever call the fire department either because that is socialism as well and you might come off as entitled.
HootyTheNightOwl · 36-40
How can you compare High school education with further education - That's like comparing coffee to lemonade.
Steve42 · 56-60, M
Good point. I just think they wanted the Boomers to pay off their college debt before they retire.
jshm2 · 41-45, M
Most of those are why you have satellites and high speed technology today, dumbass.
eMortal · M
Something isn’t bad just because you don’t like it.
yes.... just as you say
tenente · 100+, M
my academic scholarship helped me get started so, yes, i'd support free post secondary education
@tenente Bc you did the work to get them. Well done (seriously).
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@pillowprincess It was a basic request that I dont actually have to elaborate on. If you want free college, then show me how serious you were about highschool.

Pretty easy to understand, no need to break it down or take it beyond that basic request.
Apparently it isn't. I'm sure as you're very keen about education and not being lazy, that you know communication consist of two parts, a sender and a receiver. Guess what?

[quote] [big]What is the Communication Process?
[/big]Communication is an essential part of everyday life, both in business and personal relationships. It is a vital part of any successful interactions between two or more parties. Communication consists of the process of exchanging information through speaking, writing, or using body language. The communication process is a sequence of events that includes four key components – sender, message, channel, and receiver – which combine to convey meaning from one person to another.

The sender, also known as the source, initiates the process by encoding their ideas into symbols that can be recognized by the intended receiver. Encoding is the act of converting thoughts into symbols that can be understood by the receiver. As part of this process, the sender must consider the appropriate audience and message structure to ensure that the receptiveness of the recipient is maximized. Once the message is encoded, it can then be expressed via various channels, such as verbal conversations, visual channels (Ex: signs, diagrams, videos), or digital platforms.

Once the sender’s message is sent through the selected channel, it passes through to the receiver or recipient. They must decode the information according to their own background experiences, attitude, knowledge, skills, perceptions, and culture.

If the receiver comprehends the encoded message successfully, they may respond with feedback in the form of acknowledgment or further questioning. This step of the process allows the sender to evaluate the effectiveness of the message they had sent.

To ensure effective communication, the process outlined above must take place without any interruptions. There are many barriers that can impede the successful delivery of the message, including inappropriate medium selection, incorrect grammar, words conflicting with body language, technical jargon, and noise. Consequently, it is important for both the sender and receiver to have strong communication skills and knowledge of the subject being discussed.

In summary, the transmission model of communication is composed of the sender, message, channel, and receiver, who interact in order to create an understanding. Each element of the communication process must be effectively implemented for meaningful communication to occur. Effective communication plays an important role in business and personal life and is, therefore, an invaluable skill to possess.

[b]2.1. Sender[/b]
The sender is like a conductor, leading the orchestra of communication with their baton. They must carefully craft their message to ensure that it is understood by the recipient, using stylistic devices such as metaphors, similes, personification, and alliteration. It is up to them to select the right words and tone in order for their message to be transmitted effectively.

[b]2.2. Message[/b]
The sender passes on a message to the receiver through communication. Communication is an exchange of information between two or more people, and it can take many forms. Verbal communication includes speaking, while nonverbal communication involves body language, gestures, facial expressions, and other visual cues. It is important for both sender and receiver to understand each other in order for effective communication to occur. To make sure that the message is understood correctly by the receiver, stylistic devices such as vivid language, metaphors and similes, rhetorical questions, active voice, and short sentences can be used by the sender.

[b]2.3. Encoding[/b]
Encoding refers to the process of putting together symbols, words, and visuals to convey meaning when sending a message. It is important to consider who the target audience is as well as what words will effectively communicate the message in its entirety. Additionally, factors such as culture, language, and references should be taken into account to ensure that the message is appropriately encoded for receiver comprehension.

[b]2.4. Channel[/b]
Channels refer to the media through which messages are sent and received. Different types of communication require different channels, such as visual (television, technologies) and auditory (telephone, face-to-face). Selecting the correct channel for the message is essential for the effective delivery of the message because if the wrong channel is chosen, the message may be misinterpreted or misunderstood by the receiver.

[b]2.5. Receiver[/b]
The receiver is the person who gets or receives the message from the sender. Factors such as personal experiences and beliefs, attitude, background, and culture heavily influence a person’s ability to interpret a message, making interpretation quite difficult.

[b]2.6. Decoding[/b]
Decoding is the process by which the receiver interprets the message. Through the use of personal beliefs, past experiences, values, and education, the receiver unconsciously works to make sense of the words that have been admitted. Depending on the accuracy of the sender’s encoding of the message, the receiver is able to more accurately interpret the thoughts that the sender was initially trying to convey to them.

[b]2.7. Feedback[/b]
Feedback is the response of the receiver to the message that was sent by the sender. Establishing if the message was correctly interpreted and feedback ensures that effective communication had been achieved between the two participants. Additionally, through feedback, the sender is able to know if their message was properly comprehended, ultimately allowing the sender to improve the effectiveness of future messages.


Feel free to educate yourself on Understanding the Steps and Components of the Communication Process for free, no matter how lazy or serious you were in HS. I wish you a great day.

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