What motivates anti-vaxxers?

For those who claim the mRNA vaccines were "untested," they need to know a few facts.

First, around the world, on the order of 100 different efforts were started to make a Covid vaccine. Many of them were "viral vector vaccines" such as the Johnson & Johnson and the AstraZenica vaccines. Our own "Operation Warp Speed" actually funded five different vaccine efforts; only two made it thru testing and were authorized for use in the US (yes, we had three vaccines authorized; Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J, but Pfizer was NOT part of Op Warp Speed).

Second, in the developed world, all vaccines, like all pharmaceutical products, are rigorously tested in three phases (the last pharmaceutical to avoid the modern testing regime was thalidomide - look it up if you're unfamiliar). The testing is done by independent testing agencies, and is double blinded. That means that until the end of the test, nobody knows which subjects got the placebo and which got the drug in question. It's very difficult to cheat a proper double blind placebo controlled trial.

Third, the three vaccines authorized were tested first on animals, then on humans for efficacy and safety, that last is known as a Phase 3 trial and it's the most expensive and long lasting. The Moderna trial had about 30,000 test subjects; Pfizer 45,000; both roughly equally divided among control (placebo) groups and vaccine groups. The results were published in a peer-reviewed medical journal. Both of the mRNA vaccine trials showed 95% efficacy against the original form of Covid after two doses and several weeks; J&J showed (I think) about 75% after 1 dose. Nobody claimed 100%; nobody claimed instant protection.

Fourth, here are links to the published trial results:

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"Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine"
[b]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389[/b]
[u]Conclusions[/u]
The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease. Aside from transient local and systemic reactions, no safety concerns were identified. (Funded by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; COVE ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04470427.)

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Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
[b]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577[/b]

[u]Results[/u]
A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. ...

[u]Conclusions[/u]
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines. (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728.)

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Moderna animal trials
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671

Pfizer animal trials
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y

BTW, the first clinical trials of any sort of mRNA vaccine in humans were in 2014 & 2015. Animal trials started in 2012.

Further info available upon request.

The same as any conspiracy theory. They like the way it makes them feel to believe they’re ahead of the curve with insider knowledge.

I dont think covid vaccine refusals are antivaxxers in general. They just in particular dont want THAT vaccine.

I am not an anti vaxxer, but, I do understand people who do not trust the government or the pharmaceutical industry due to their shady track record. In North Carolina, one of the counties with the highest unvaccinated rate is Robeson county, which is primarily Native American. One can definitely understand their hesitation to believe the government in regards to anything they say.

You need to be very careful to stop say 'anti-vaxxer' for anyone who chooses to specifically not get Covid jabs. That's not 'anti-vax'.

Most humans do not need Covid jabs as natural immune system response does the job better. Covid was weaponised to be used for accelerated wealth concentration amongst the elite, testing social control measures promoted by the UN/WHO/WEF, and testing fast-tracked experimental drugs that require a massive commercial profit return on investment.

Covid was never about human health. We were never all in this together.

For those who claim that the mRNA vaccines have side effects, this is true, and not the whole story.

First the biggest side effect, in a small number of people, is an allergic reaction. And that is why vaccination locations have you stay around 15 min. That's plenty of time for a reaction to develop and for them to hit you with an epi-pen.

The long term risk of mRNA vaccines is a slight uptick in myocarditiis rates. myo- means muscle, card- is the heart; -itis means inflammation of.

[quote]The association between COVID-19 vaccination and increased incidences of cardiac-related disorders such as myocarditis has been described by several studies.12,28,29 Goddard et al.30 conducted a large study evaluating the incidence of cardiac side effects of the vaccine among 7 million people in the United States. They reported an incidence of 320 cases 1–98days after approximately 7 million vaccine doses.30[/quote]
[b]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10402862/[/b]

320 cases in 7 million patients. That's 0.0046% And the myocarditis clears up over time. Odds of DEATH among the unprotected is 0.5%; odds of long covid are 5X higher.

In other words, a person has a 500x higher chance of long Covid than of temporary myocarditis from the vaccine.

Willful ignorance.

Let me guess; HippieJoe?

For those who claim that other diseases were mis-identified as Covid, they need to know a few facts.

Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's about 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.

Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.

I think people who believe in conspiracy theories like to believe they are somehow more enlightened than the average person. It is a form of rebellion from feeling alienated or something. Just like cult followers, they like to feel they are special.

The recognition it is our bodies. No one has the right to force me to take the " vaccine". I stand by my beliefs. And it was one of three reasons I left the healthcare profession. No debate necessary.

Yu do realise.. there still isn’t any long term safety data on your jabby jab.
You are the test dummies..
but I’m the dummy anti vaxxer!

Enjoy your VAIDS
Myocarditis
Strokes
Sudden death… etc etc 🤷🏻‍♂️

Most of the anti-vaxxers have been misled by others, and are prone to believing in wacky conspiracy theories. But what's really exasperating is their refusal to make decisions based on hard data and science. They cannot be helped. This is why covid and long covid are now significantly impacting the deniers much more than those who have been vaccinated in the US.

They just didn't want that vaccine, simple. A lot of them are still here with us today.

I'm not making any claims. I'm not here to debate. I chose not to get the vaccine because it came out very quickly and I prefer to be cautious. See how it actually plays out. In saying that I took other precautions and have only had covid once.

I hear valid arguments from both sides, but the truth is it's personal choice. Unfortunately people make personal choices that affect others poorly no matter what they choose.

Usually they got a brand new tin foil hat and want people to look at them

As a person who is dealing with COVID now I can't be thankful enough that I took my vaccinations because it could have been so much worse Especially after recently going through pneumonia I could have died but because I had my vaccines I had a good chance of getting through this. I understand the fear I work in the pharmaceutical industry. But for some people it was the best choice.

I just looked at his profile. He is into all the conspiracies; total nut job.

Fear and hate and needing to feel superior to others. And immense stupidity.

What’s interesting is that prior to COVID, most anti-vaxers were granola-munching, tree-hugging, organic hippie types. This is where people like RFK Jr. came from. Now of course they’ve been outnumbered by the QAnon/MAGA crowd.

Americans in general hate being told what to do.
Especially by their government !
And to some extent it's understandable.

If America is supposedly the land of the free, where's the freedom of choice in the Covid vaccine scenario ?

On that one you have to confront the likes of Trump; Fauci and co. who did their level best to fudge; prevaricate; and basically deny covids existence for so long; actively encouraged business travel to and from China, even after it was proven to be the source of it's outbreak; and then went into total denial about how serious it was; what the impact of having densely populated cities with major international airports; rail stations and underground networks meant for the spread of a virus over which they had no control.

Now ask yourself this.
How many Americans do you suppose caught and died from covid or the effects of covid where 'Pulmonary failure' or 'Heart failure' were recorded as the cause of death rather than covid itself ?

[b]Those[/b] are the stats. the world wants to see.
You should too.

As others have mentioned, being skeptical about the mRNA Covid 19 vaccines is a smart decision. Being against taking this specific vaccine and still being open to vaccinations in general does not make one an "anti vaxxer"

My impression is that this post is virtue signalling.

You aren't really asking, you are looking for others to agree and back you up.

They fell prey to a political trend then when people argue with them insisting they are wrong they just get more entrenched in their position. If you disagree then you should just be asking non accusing questions not telling them they are wrong. Social media is another reason. If you read anti vax posts or view anti vax you tube videos. That is all you are going to get.

Of course he's a Trump cultist too/.

obstinate willful ignorance, straight up inability to science, or some just have an inherent fear of their governments and/or the pharmaceutical industry, which is valid in many cases, and deep-seated fears are very hard to overcome

My intense distrust of the Government

Contrarian angst I would say.

Stupidity.

Reverse question - what is the standard number of Covid jabs the US administrations are pushing people to get? 4 per year, meaning now they'd have to be to like 8 or 9 jabs?

Yet they were all vaccinated at birth!
Stupid ideas being circulated

Low intelligence level

To be honest it is actually a combination of all three. I know plenty of antivaxxers and they are stupid, easily lead and have a high desire to hurt others.