What motivates anti-vaxxers?

@zonavar68 If natural immune systems did the job better than being vaccinated, both the death rate and long covid rate would be higher for those who have been vaccinated than those who have not been. But that isn't the case. It is the exact opposite.

@windinhishair Maybe in your country, but here in Australia that's not the case. So many people now do not get follow-up jabs anymore, and a significant portion (around 10 percent) never got any. There have been very few deaths directly attributed to Covid. Remember Covid is a very small cause of human mortality in the bigger scheme of things. People who choose not to get Covid vax have not been the ones spreading it around. It was the *vaccinated* who spread it around.

@zonavar68 There is a difference between the spreading mechanism and mortality and negative impacts. If the majority of people have been vaccinated, that group will be the primary source of disease spread. But that is a different issue than mortality. Covid death rates are down now, but that is largely because so many people have been vaccinated, which has reduced negative outcomes overall. I would be surprised if covid acted differently in Australia than in the US or UK or other areas.

@windinhishair Except the efficacy of the mrna vaccines is shit.

After one month you are down to 50 percent or less and by three months it's less than 20 percent, requiring a person to get jabbed at least four times at year to provide any sort of artificial 'wall of protection'.

Yet a person who never got jabbed has fully active adapting natural immune response without needing any fake-generated antibodies to target the spike proteins. I've never had a Covid jab or a Flu jab.

The three original mrna vaxes only targeted spike proteins of the originally known (at the time of the rapid mass-production) variants hence when Delta and later have come out, their effectiveness is significantly less than 'advertised'.

Also here in Australia the government selected Pfizer's 'comirnaty' as the only approved version for 'boosters' so then you had the bizarre situation of people who might have been jabbed with AZ 'vaxzevria' or Moderna 'spikevax' getting jabbed with a different drug that produces same-same-but-different fake antibodies and this would have affected how they work on tackling any Covid virus development that a person had.

The AZ 'vaxzevria' quietly got dumped because it was causing the most side-effect clotting and stroke plus heart failure deaths in *all* age groups including the very young. It was basically a commercial failure but the profit AZ would have made is still immense.

Remember Covid is about profit in the fully commercialised healthcare industry - it's not about saving lives or human health improvement. The corporate elites that pushed to weaponise Covid don't care about human lives either. To them Covid has been a massive wealth concentration opportunity.

Covid (and the drugs for it) are in effect forms of bio-weapons.

@zonavar68 Yet people who have been vaccinated have fared better than those who have not. That's just a simple fact. And that's very strange for a "bioweapon" to save so many lives globally.

@windinhishair I've never disputed the technical side of the vaccines. But they don't do what they're marketed to do, and they were pushed with an insane 'hard sell' approach. Flu vaxes are never pushed like that and hence the reason why flu vaxes do not have any of the negative stigma attached. You can freely choose to get flu vax or not, but it *nearly* got to the point where countries copied Israel and made everyone get jabbed for covid or be threatened with having no job, and be labelled a 'non citizen'. The negative hype made the bs about Covid so disgusting and very anti-human.

@zonavar68 The bottom line is that the major covid vaccines work and are effective in reducing negative outcomes. You can choose to improve your chances of better health or not--that is completely up to you. For me, I choose to have the vaccine and regular boosters when they become available. And I take sensible precautions to avoid exposure. So far, I have not had covid. But my personal experience is not important compared to the net experience at a population level. Unless something changes, I will continue to maximize my likelihood of a healthy outcome. You have to do what you feel comfortable with.

@windinhishair That is all fair and valid. But of the people that get the drugs, do they really need them? This is the 'mirror juror' approach where you step back and say 'why did we choose to get this?'. I chose for myself not to get Covid jabs but I never dissed anyone for making a different choice. But the pro-covid-vax fraternity can't accept that people opted to make a free choice and not get the jabs because that undermines their position of 'medical superiority'. 8-) Because the blanket position was 'you must get the drugs or you will die' anything that doesn't support that is considered anti-establishment.

@zonavar68 The situation has changed significantly over time. At the beginning, we needed to do everything possible to minimize spread while we knew nothing about mortality. As the vaccines became available, it made sense to vaccinate as many people as possible when it was believed that spread could be significantly reduced. Later variants showed little difference in covid incidence between vaccinated and unvaccinated, though the vaccine always showed measurable protection against negative outcomes. Now that we have transitioned from pandemic to endemic, and much more is known, and there is little stigma in getting or not getting the vaccine.

As far as the question of "do they really need them?" the answer remains that yes, your chances of positive outcomes is improved with the vaccines, so it makes sense scientifically. But everyone must determine what their own risk tolerance is.