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Get Your Covid Injection to Protect Granny Selfish

And surprise, surprise.....Pfizer knew all along it didnt protect granny. Pfizer executive: "at the time of introduction the vaccine had NEVER been tested on stopping the transmission of the virus" to the EU.

This opens a huge can of worms (many already knew of the bogus efficacy). Injection ID now was clearly about control/surveillance. The line "get it done for others more vulnerable" now is defunct and the mandatory injections were already morally reprehensible but even more so after this statement.

We have been lied to on an epic scale. Time for some to admit this was so and repair the division it has sown
I do believe there are a great many people here who need to issue immediate apologies and retractions. I won’t hold my breath though.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
You've found out only now what I've been telling you for two years? I wouldn't be too proud about it.

The endpoint was and is to stop hospitalizations/deaths, not to stop cold like illness.

The endpoint was successfully reached.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@BeachBum If anything I'm just exposing your BS. When you'll be able to produce hard evidence that vaccines are causing more hospitalization/deaths than COVID (i.e. never) let us know.


[quote]Talk about hijack [/quote]
You know the comment history is visible to everyone, just by clicking "Show more ## replies", right? And yes, you literally hijacked the thread. Or you believe that even SW's post logs have a leftwing bias? 😜
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@Elessar its not hijacking when you flat out refuse tok answer a simple yes or no question, of which the subject matter you think yourself well educated in. So i will ask again......did any perceived expert/professional institution or person say that the covid injection stopped/reduced transmission? (Hint, we all know the answer to this but i think you choose not to give an answer because if you acknowledge this lie, then all the others come up for internal debate. Or you have an agenda)
@SumKindaMunster says
[quote]Rob Roos, member of European Parliament asks "J.Small", a Pfizer representative whether or not the vaccine was tested to prevent transmission, she says no.

https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593?[/quote]
That's one of those technically true and truly misleading statements. Roos goes on to conclude that since transmission wasn't tested, it must be happening all the time. Such a conclusion isn't warranted at all, as I will explain.

Pfizers's original double blind placebo controlled 45,000 person trial showed the vaccine stopped disease in 95% of cases (of the original wildtype) as tested by serologic & virologic evidence (aka antibodies & PCR). Prevention of infection was what they tested for and delivered, at 95% efficacy. Same with Moderna.

Oh, by the way: If you don't have the virus in your blood, you can't transmit it!! That's Roos' error!!!

Yes, Covid Omicron 4&5 are not the same diseases we faced 2.5 years ago. It has evolved, no question. None the less, the original vaccines did what they were designed to to quite well. They blunted the impact of Covid and they protected medical workers.

[sep][sep][sep][center] UPDATE [/center][sep][sep][sep]

And by blocking infection, they perforce block transmission!!!

Folks DID look for evidence of transmission prevention in the aftermath of vaccination programs. See
[b]https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298[/b]
[quote]A study2 of covid-19 transmission within English households using data gathered in early 2021 found that even a single dose of a covid-19 vaccine reduced the likelihood of household transmission by 40-50%. This was supported by a study of household transmission among Scottish healthcare workers conducted between December 2020 and March 2021.3 Both studies analysed the impact of vaccination on transmission of the α variant of SARS-CoV-2, which was dominant at the time.[/quote]

See that? Even one dose of a two dose regimen causes a significant reduction in transmission. Basic germ theory comes thru again!!

P.S. Here's another much larger study showing very significant transmission reduction
[b]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597[/b]
@SumKindaMunster You absolutely REFUSE to discuss the studies I linked showing that the vaccines DID greatly reduce transmission. So your idea of a "rational discussion" means we agree to ignore crucial facts like that?? LOL!!!
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@ElwoodBlues Anything to keep me responding huh? So I was struck by the desperation and sadness that must exist behind your need to be recognized for your intelligence. Strangely it made me think of the song "Dogs" by Pink Floyd and this verse in particular...

[quote]You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder
You know, it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder
As you get older
Yeah, and in the end you'll pack up and fly down south
Hide your head in the sand
Just another sad old man
All alone and dying of cancer[/quote]

Anyway, this is for you. Throw this on your preferred listening device and contemplate...

[media=https://youtu.be/4QA30qkRYy8]
@SumKindaMunster LOL!!! That's another swing and a miss!


You seem desperate to get in the last word. Maybe since you've lost the debate it might soothe your fragile ego if I allow you to have the last word.
SW-User
[quote]We have been lied to on an epic scale. [/quote]

The definition of lying is definitely not "I don't understand what I've been told so I'm gonna blame the meanies who gave me facts that my brain could not handle"

Also:
[quote]Joint Statement from the International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities and World Health Organization:
17 May 2022 Statement

Vaccination has been shown to contribute to reducing deaths and severe illness from COVID-19, and to [b]reduce the transmission of COVID-19[/b]. Vaccinating as many people as possible and [b]reducing the spread of disease is important. [/b]Vaccination of a significant proportion of the population also [b]protects vulnerable people, including those who cannot receive vaccines, or the small proportion of people who might remain at risk of infection after vaccination. Failure to vaccinate widely also enables continued circulation of the virus and the generation of variants, including some that may pose a greater risk. [/b]Widespread vaccination has contributed to fewer people getting sick and being hospitalised, ultimately alleviating the burden of COVID-19 on healthcare systems. It has also helped allow the move back to normal societal functioning and the re-opening of economies.[/quote]
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User I'll be sure to do that. Any other comments you want to make in a desperate but vain attempt to pretend your aren't upset or affected by your interactions with me?
SW-User
@SumKindaMunster No, thank you. Have a nice day.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User You as well.
Ynotisay · M
Do you know how quotes work? You need to attribute them. Which executive said those words?
You don't know, do you? Here's what happened.

You swim in right wing lying swamps and there's a clip of a Dutch, uber-conservative, vaccine-denier running with "someone told me." And then the sheep run with it as if it's a fact.

Sit down dude. There's actually grown ups here. "We've been lied to." So weak man. Grow a pair.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Ynotisay sumkindamonster posted the link below. Pfizer were "moving at the speed of science", hence they didnt test for transmission. You evidently thought they did but they are on camera saying they didnt. Wonder what made you think this covid injection stopped transmission?
@gol979 Because, you fucking moron, uninfected people can't transmit the disease.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire whats that got to do with it.....are you still thinking that a covid injection stops ppl testing positive for covid? Surely not
SW-User
I can [b][i]TOTALLY[/i][/b] understand why you are [i][b]NOT[/b][/i] offering any [b][i]SOURCE[/i][/b] for this quote, or anything [b][i]BEYOND[/i][/b] the quote that would further back up the quote itself ... because you have nothing ... which has been the story for your side for the last few years ... does it not get [b][i]exhausting[/i][/b] for you to keep up this charade? What have you gained from it in all these months and years?

The only people lying on an epic scale are people like you, over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ... and do you see how little your lies have changed anything? How the only people you persuade are those on the fringe just like you?

"Somebody told me that someone said that another unnamed person CONFESSED to blah blah blah, but nobody else heard it, so just trust me" is no more evidence of anything now that any similar nonsensical statement uttered by your ilk one or two years ago was back then. You literally have not learned what constitutes evidence in all these months.

It's also just bizarre to watch someone vainly try to weaponize the calls for a "source" on anything like this, as though people are sheep for expecting a source, rather than sheep for believing things [i][b]without[/b][/i] a source. Projecting one's gullibility and stupidity onto others does not erase it in the one doing the projection.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@SW-User ahhh, sumkindamosnter posted it below. Have a look, see what you think
SW-User
@gol979 spoon feeding my @ass, you're just lazy (and that in turn wastes a lot of people's time, when you could've saved that time by just posting the link you were thinking of; moreover, people on SW block each other, so waiting for someone else to later do the work an post it for you is both lazy and unreliable, since when another user finally posts it, anyone asking you for it may have that other user blocked or be blocked by them)

Moreover, that Dutch goober THINKS he has some kind of major gotcha point, when in reality he has a nothingburger (see other comments here on your post), which you in turn are passing along as some big gotcha point ... and when exactly did the drug companies ever SAY "oh yeah, we tested this for x, y, and z" so that you can act like they later lied about x or y?

As far as corporations lying goes, of course we know it happens, and the right wing will seleectively avoid that when it also suits their narrative, like on climate change, and ExxonMobil lying to people about it

You think you've exposed something major here, but it's just more of the same Covidiot narrative
gol979 · 41-45, M
@SW-User Okayyyy. Presumably the "covidiot" narrative is thinking this injection stops covid 😉
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
For what its worth, most people seem to have realized the boosters are useless, if not malicious.

It's tough to come by figures, but apparently only about 5% of the eligible population has gotten the newer boosters.

https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/covid-bivalent-booster-lywh4xd3

[quote] The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said about 11.5 million in the United States received the bivalent booster between Sept. 1 and Oct. 6.

That’s about 5.3% of the 216 million people over the age of 12 who completed their COVID-19 primary series. The national figure is likely higher because — due to reporting methods — it does not include some people who received the shot in Idaho and Texas, the agency said. [/quote]
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User Have you had covid before?
SW-User
@SumKindaMunster no, omicron would have killed me. covid is a vascular disease , that can impact neurological function as well
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User Well if you never had Covid I would encourage you to get vaccinated. That's not the same advice I would give everyone, but in your case, I don't blame you for getting boosted.
Have you got a link? What executive said that when? Here's what we knew when the Pfizer vaccine received emergency approval.

[u]Pfizer phase 3 trial[/u]
Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
Conclusions
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines. (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728.)

[u]Pfizer animal trial[/u]
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Link below is from Twitter.

Rob Roos, member of European Parliament asks "J.Small", a Pfizer representative whether or not the vaccine was tested to prevent transmission, she says no.

https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593?
zonavar68 · 51-55, M
I'll never ever get jabbed for Covid
Tres13 · 51-55, M
If you don’t get vaccinated You will die
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Tres13 😂😂
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Sweetpoison · 36-40, F
"Clearly"? So every time someone lies, microchips are involved?
Here's a big fucking surprise. A piece of shit like you thinks anybody who wants to be safe from deadly diseases is a selfish piece of garbage. I guess we should all go kill ourselves so that we don't inconvenience you.

Oh, and by the way, if it weren't for mandatory vaccinations, we'd still be dealing with smallpox.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@LordShadowfire I was wanting to tell you - Years ago I painted my closet door purple. Clearly that is the reason I decided to eat at Hardee's last Wednesday.
@gol979
[quote]mate, why the need for you to impose your views on others.....its weird. You do you and leave others alone. You get all the gene therapy, mrna, maga, biden boosters you want. Mask up. Isolate yourself etc. Just leave others alone. Why is that so hard?[/quote]

How about this, genius? The decisions being made by people like you are killing other people. Okay? You people are SPREADING A DANGEROUS DISEASE. That's like if Typhoid Mary was telling me to mind my own business while she cooked her salmonella delight for everybody. Not gonna happen.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire awwww so cute. You still think theres a super scary asymptomatic plague lurking around every corner. Again, if you want to wallow in irrational fear please do so, just leave others alone

 
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