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Get Your Covid Injection to Protect Granny Selfish

And surprise, surprise.....Pfizer knew all along it didnt protect granny. Pfizer executive: "at the time of introduction the vaccine had NEVER been tested on stopping the transmission of the virus" to the EU.

This opens a huge can of worms (many already knew of the bogus efficacy). Injection ID now was clearly about control/surveillance. The line "get it done for others more vulnerable" now is defunct and the mandatory injections were already morally reprehensible but even more so after this statement.

We have been lied to on an epic scale. Time for some to admit this was so and repair the division it has sown

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ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster says
[quote]Rob Roos, member of European Parliament asks "J.Small", a Pfizer representative whether or not the vaccine was tested to prevent transmission, she says no.

https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593?[/quote]
That's one of those technically true and truly misleading statements. Roos goes on to conclude that since transmission wasn't tested, it must be happening all the time. Such a conclusion isn't warranted at all, as I will explain.

Pfizers's original double blind placebo controlled 45,000 person trial showed the vaccine stopped disease in 95% of cases (of the original wildtype) as tested by serologic & virologic evidence (aka antibodies & PCR). Prevention of infection was what they tested for and delivered, at 95% efficacy. Same with Moderna.

Oh, by the way: If you don't have the virus in your blood, you can't transmit it!! That's Roos' error!!!

Yes, Covid Omicron 4&5 are not the same diseases we faced 2.5 years ago. It has evolved, no question. None the less, the original vaccines did what they were designed to to quite well. They blunted the impact of Covid and they protected medical workers.

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And by blocking infection, they perforce block transmission!!!

Folks DID look for evidence of transmission prevention in the aftermath of vaccination programs. See
[b]https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298[/b]
[quote]A study2 of covid-19 transmission within English households using data gathered in early 2021 found that even a single dose of a covid-19 vaccine reduced the likelihood of household transmission by 40-50%. This was supported by a study of household transmission among Scottish healthcare workers conducted between December 2020 and March 2021.3 Both studies analysed the impact of vaccination on transmission of the α variant of SARS-CoV-2, which was dominant at the time.[/quote]

See that? Even one dose of a two dose regimen causes a significant reduction in transmission. Basic germ theory comes thru again!!

P.S. Here's another much larger study showing very significant transmission reduction
[b]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597[/b]

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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues So what's your explanation for the video then? What is so misleading about "J Smalls" direct quote and chuckle that they did not test the vaccine for transmission prevention?

Your rebuttal so far is utterly irrelevant.

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster My explanation is this: If you don't have the virus in your blood, you can't transmit it.

Go back and look: was measles vaccine ever tested for transmission? How about Rubella? Tetanus? Diptheria? Pertussus? Polio???

We have a 60+ year history of testing vaccines. We test for presence of the disease AKA infection. We know enough about "germs" to know that if you're not infected, you're not a carrier or a spreader or a danger to your community.

For your edification, here's a report on the 1955Salk polio vaccine trial. No, they didn't test for transmission.
[b]https://sph.umich.edu/polio/[/b]

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Thanks, but that wasn't the question. The video is of a Pfizer rep, in the middle of a serious question and answer period during European Parliament, and a Dutch Parliament member, Roos, seriously and clearly asks his question, in English, did they test the vaccine for preventing transmission and she chuckles and says no.

How do you explain that? I'm not interested in your well worn data points that you trot out every time you get questioned on the vaccine.

How do you explain the video? Is it a hoax? Maybe edited?

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster I'm taking the claim made by the video to be true. I'm taking it as given that just like other major widely used vaccines weren't tested for transmission, the Covid vaccine wasn't tested for transmission. I'm not disagreeing with the claim presented; I'm explaining why testing a vaccine for transmission isn't done.

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Uh huh, so then the whole vaccine passport thing, all the propaganda saying we should get vaccinated to prevent the spread, what was all that?

If the vaccines weren't tested to prevent the spread of Covid, why was there an ongoing and massive propaganda campaign specifically mentioning preventing the the spread of Covid undertaken to convince everyone to get vaccinated?

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster That was all based on what's colloquially known as "germ theory" which began in the 2nd half of the 1800s. Germ theory explains how various diseases are transmitted. In particular, infectious diseases are transmitted by infected people.

Thus, no infection, no transmission! I'm really not sure what you are missing here. Are you doubting germ theory? NON-infected people CAN'T transmit. They don't have the virus inside them multiplying.

So the best tool we had to stop the spread was and is the tool that stops infection. Same thing is true of other diseases such as smallpox. With viruses, stopping the infection stops the spread.

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Ok, well I can see you are stuck and will now just resort to childish snark and straw man replies.

We both know what I say is true, there absolutely was a massive publicity campaign to get vaccinated for Covid, and preventing the spread of it was the hallmark of that campaign. Yet we didn't truly know how well it prevented the spread and that was revealed as time went on, and finally, when the media and government could no longer hold up the farce, they admitted that the vaccines only helped with the symptoms of Covid, not the spread.

How many people lost their jobs due to this? (I personally know 2.) How many people had unnecessary side effects from taking a vaccine that would not help them prevent the spread of Covid? (I know one one personally, ended up in the emergency room after his first dose).

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ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster I clearly identified your false assumption as the assumption that the vaccines didn't prevent spread. Nice attempt to move the goalposts though!!!

[quote], they admitted that the vaccines only helped with the symptoms of Covid, not the spread. [/quote] Who "admitted" that and when???

I've linked you to two different studies showing the vaccines DID greatly reduce spread; the second involved over 100,000 individuals. You keep denying the data that I provide you with.

You continue to maintain that the vaccines don't reduce the spread, yet you have ZERO data to support that claim. I've presented you with basic germ theory plus two studies showing SIGNIFICANT reductions in spread after vaccinations, and you just ignore the data. What gives???

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Ok Peckerwood, thanks for your usual nonsense. Smell ya later! 👋

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster You continue to maintain that the vaccines don't reduce the spread, yet you have ZERO data to support that claim. I've presented you with basic germ theory plus two studies showing SIGNIFICANT reductions in spread after vaccinations, and you just ignore the data. What gives???

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues What gives is that you are a stubborn and disingenuous debater and responder. Grow up, stop getting high on your own farts, and respond relevantly, even if you disagree, acknowledge the other's viewpoint and respond to [i]that[/i].

Stop being a stupid prick because you need to feel superior.

This is why nobody talks to you Peckerwood.

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster I have the facts on my side.
That's why I won this debate.

By switching from facts to personal insults, you've conceded the debate to me. Not the most gracious concession, but I accept!

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Be sure and tell all your friends! Oh wait....🤔

I'm sorry for you, it must be hard to have only this type of interaction instead of a true, fulfilling friendship or partnership.

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster You are STILL attempting to hurt me with a personal insult, [b]LOL!!![/b]

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues No, I expressed pity for your situation. Again, I am sorry this is what you need to feel good about yourself.

And even if I did, what of it? You expect me to believe your aren't purposefully being an obstinate ass?

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster LOL!!! That's another swing and a miss!

You seem desperate to get in the last word. Maybe since you've lost the debate it might soothe your ego if I allow you to have the last word.

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues So here's an example of what I had in mind in regards to this issue. As you can see, people on this discussion actually discussed the video, what was said on it, the implications, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/y2d821/whats_up_with_some_people_apologizing_about/

I am fascinated by how many people are now claiming the vaccines were never meant to prevent the spread. This was only a year ago, yet so many people truly seem to believe that's what happened. It definitely speaks to people's ability to have their memories change and altered and I wonder how many other past events were inaccurately shaped due to this phenomenon.

I'm also sorry you are either too afraid or too stubborn to respond relevantly. Perhaps some of our past interactions have made you cautious. I can understand that, but then I think about how I don't have any problems having tough discussions on here with others, and while they are not always productive in the moment, I listen, absorb and learn new things, ideas, concepts, etc.

If you just spend your time regurgitating the same ol' disingenuous, provocative nonsense, you will never grow, learn or change.

ElwoodBlues · M

Thanks for pointing me to that thread! I've culled some fine quotes from it for your enjoyment!!

[quote]Ah, so a politician heard a scientist answer a question. Happens every time. Scientists go out of their way to give correct, nuanced answers. Politician hears the narrative he wants.[/quote]

[quote]God this is like blaming a firefighter for taking the door to the left first instead of the door to the right while everything is burning down around him.

Sometimes we don't have time to... well take our time.[/quote]

Oh, here's a good one!!
[quote]WarU40
16 hr. ago

So they didn’t test for that prior to it hitting the market, but the data is in on that by now right? [/quote]

Why yes, WarU40 the data IS in on it now, and it looks like I should cite it AGAIN!!

[b]https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298[/b]
[quote]A study2 of covid-19 transmission within English households using data gathered in early 2021 found that even a single dose of a covid-19 vaccine reduced the likelihood of household transmission by 40-50%. This was supported by a study of household transmission among Scottish healthcare workers conducted between December 2020 and March 2021.3 Both studies analysed the impact of vaccination on transmission of the α variant of SARS-CoV-2, which was dominant at the time.[/quote]

See that? Even one dose of a two dose regimen causes a significant reduction in transmission. Basic germ theory comes thru again!!

P.S. Here's another much larger study showing very significant transmission reduction
[b]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597[/b]

@SumKindaMunster you seem to want me to pretend that the above transmission reduction data doesn't exist, and that basic germ theory is still deeply in question. Sorry, dude, I'm not gonna pretend either of those things.

[quote]I am fascinated by how many people are now claiming the vaccines were never meant to prevent the spread. [/quote]
The data says the vaccines DID REDUCE THE SPREAD! Deny all you like, but that's what the data says!!!

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Ok, well here are some comments that struck me

[quote]I don't know where you live, but in Europe they absolutely did say that the vaccine greatly helps to prevent transmission, and that people should get vaccinated, if not for themselves, for their loved ones.
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[quote]They didn't test to see if the vaccine prevented transmission of the virus. Therefore the "do it for others" argument was BS. That is why people are apologizing. If you told people they should get vaccinated to prevent the transmission of the virus, when there was -no evidence- that the vaccine did anything to prevent the transmission, well, that is fraud, at least.[/quote]

[quote]My issue is not with how correct the tweet is - it's that people are here pretending that nobody ever said getting vaccinated reduces transmission. That's not true. We all saw that messaging. Pretending otherwise is no better than the antivaxxers. I can't abide lying.[/quote]

[quote]No they literally did say that. Biden said if everyone got vaxxed within 100 days it would be over. Trump said similar things. Of course there are benefits to reducing symptoms, but it absolutely was presented as the solution to the pandemic and anyone who questioned it was vilified as the reason the virus still existed.[/quote]

It's silly and stupid that you keep throwing these strawman responses my way. They only serve to make you look unhinged, frightened, and pathetic.

You keep throwing this point that the vaccines in totality help reduce the spread, which is true, and I haven't denied that.

However, my point is that the video revealed that the entire propaganda campaign that was foisted upon the Western world insisted that getting vaccinated would protect you and prevent the spread. We both know that happened and the nuance you keep hammering is not at all relevant to the propaganda campaign that patently claimed otherwise.

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster [quote]you keep throwing these strawman responses my way.[/quote] You think the studies that demonstrate strong reductions in transmission are straw men?? SERIOUSLY???

[quote] the nuance you keep hammering is not at all relevant [/quote] OK, fine if you want to reject germ theory; that's your business. BUT. The vaccines DID greatly reduce transmission. Now you're calling that a NUANCE???

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Well I'm gonna go back to Reddit seeing as it is not possible to have a rational discussion about this here. Later loser. 👋

ElwoodBlues · M

@SumKindaMunster You absolutely REFUSE to discuss the studies I linked showing that the vaccines DID greatly reduce transmission. So your idea of a "rational discussion" means we agree to ignore crucial facts like that?? [b]LOL!!![/b]

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues Back to me huh? When everyone else ignores you, I am here for ya. Bring it in peckerwood, I think you need this...

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