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So they ARE gene therapy, after all...

[b]Another "conspiracy theory" comes true[/b]

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
If you weren’t so eager to harm people, you might at least have attempted to find the source which some two-bit website deliberately and maliciously distorted for its own disgusting purposes.

I’ve done it for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBmVwuv0Qc

To save you time (so that you can get back to wilfully spreading harm) you can skip straight to 9 minutes in.

Oelrich does not claim that mRna Covid vaccines are gene therapy. He says that mRna Covid vaccines are an example of what new technologies [i]such as[/i] gene or cell therapy can be. “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example [b]for[/b] that cell and gene therapy” does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example [b]of[/b] that cell and gene therapy”

You might also bear in mind that Stefan Oelrich is German, and is speaking in a foreign language... an easy target for those wanting to spread harmful lies and misinformation (I won’t bother giving you a lesson on the different structure and use of the subjunctive in English and German... unless you’d like me to do so. Just ask)

When told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”

In like vein, when he speaks of 95% he is suggesting that mRNA has been so successful as a vaccine vector that although 95% of people would once have rejected gene therapy then today more people might might be receptive to new technologies, of which mRNA vectors and gene therapies are two [i]separate[/i] examples.

So run along and find some other way to sow doubt in the minds of those who might otherwise benefit from vaccination.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 I'm afraid it does not matter how much and how well yuou try to explain facts, those who [i]want[/i] to call them "wrong" to suit their preconceptions or simple ignorance, will never accept it.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@ArishMell Yes, they’re excellent examples of why we use the evidence-based scientific methodology
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 There seems a cutious but very widespread trait not to want the truth but to fall for any lurid alternative; perhaps because the alternatives offer simple "certainty" without the effort of learning and understanding.

It's nothing new - I heard a documantary on the radio this morningf about an appalling travesty of justice in 1970s America, but in which I see echoes of the 17C "Witchfinder General" in 17C England.

The only difference was the subject. The US case arose from a radio presenter encouraging conspiracy-fantasies about "satanic" child-abuse; whereas the self-styled,, self-appointed Witchfinder General exploited very deep, very widespread superstitions. He lead to innocent people being hanged on invented evidence for illogical accusations. The radio host simply set out to ruin people's lives to suit his fantasy.

No doubt the "witch" persecutor would have felt the same as the broadcaster - who still has no shame for the damage he wrought, and continues to think himself right!

Some refuse vaccination through personal fear of being vaccinated anyway. Otherwise the parallel between pro-pandemic capaigners (and often science generally despite using to to spread their merssage) and the witch-hunters is that mob-fear trait.

It is bolstered by a common fear of uncertainty. Science works by testing uncertainties and narrowing their bounds by measurement and logic. The witch-hunters old and new manipulate the ancient fear of uncertainty by persuading people to accept absolutes, however illogical let alone honest.

So-called "social media" (anti-social media) just makes it easier to create, disseminate and magnify the wrong by bringing so many more people with the same views into contact; mutually reinforcing their ignorance and fear.

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At least 19C Arthur Conan-Doyle and 20C Erik von Daniken, both conspiracy-fantasists [i]par excellence[/i], never threatened lives or livelihoods with the nonsense they wrote.
BlackNo1 · 26-30, M
It's impossible for an mRNA vaccine to be classified as a "gene therapy".

You can prove me wrong by demonstrating how an mRNA vaccine enters the cell nucleus or interacts with DNA in any way.

I'll help you - it can't do either of those things, thus isn't gene therapy.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF Yes, I keep hearing about personal gain, or corporate gain, or advantage, or whatever... but never who or [i]how.[/i]

Just vague innuendo about ‘them'
WalterF · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 The same old reasons - "they" (the supranational power units, unknown to us, usually known only by 3- or 4-letter acronyms), while hiding in plain sight, don't really want people investigating them. They have all the power and money necessary (including the purchase of full media compliance - knowing that who controls the media controls the people) to enforce their programmmes without our knowledge.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF That makes no sense... it’s just watery word-soup
Source? Or Just another hoax?
For antivaxxers every lie is goed enough after all.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Thewhazzupdude For my information: please define "antivaxxer". Thank you.

Oh, and take this up with Stefan Oelrich. If you think he's a liar, best to tell him.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF [quote]please define “antivaxxer"[/quote]

'malicious misanthrope' works for me

[quote]If you think he's a liar[/quote]

My comment above identifies the liar in this case
WalterF · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Again, that is an invalid definition of the term. It has nothing to do with the term. Definitely cognitive problems here, on your side.
SW-User
No, just no 🤦🏻‍♀️
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF [quote]disastrously incriminating evidence[/quote]

You have already been shown that the snippet you posted is false. You have been given a video of Oelrich’s speech... a video that demonstrates the falsity of your ridiculous claims.

Shall I take you back through what you have already been shown?

Would that help you?

Your persistence in trying to spread these lies is indicative of the contempt in which you hold other people. I have news for you... other people are not stupid, and your behaviour is seen by everyone for what it is... an attempt to harm them.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF In case you somehow missed it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBmVwuv0Qc

To save you time (so that you can get back to wilfully spreading harm) you can skip straight to 9 minutes in.

Oelrich does not claim that mRna Covid vaccines are gene therapy. He says that mRna Covid vaccines are an example of what new technologies such as gene or cell therapy can be. “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example [b]for[/b] that cell and gene therapy” does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example [b]of[/b] that cell and gene therapy”

You might also bear in mind that Stefan Oelrich is German, and is speaking in a foreign language... an easy target for those wanting to spread harmful lies and misinformation (I won’t bother giving you a lesson on the different structure and use of the subjunctive in English and German... unless you’d like me to do so. Just ask)

When told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”

In like vein, when he speaks of 95% he is suggesting that mRNA has been so successful as a vaccine vector that although 95% of people would once have rejected gene therapy then today more people might might be receptive to new technologies, of which mRNA vectors and gene therapies are two separate examples.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 I have just read your previous post, which supports my first point in the long reply just posted: that I am "harming people".

The regularity of the occurrence of this utterly ridiculous term shows that it is not your original thinking. It is a received cliché, a tiny part of the drip drip 24-hour media brainwashing apparatus. You have exposed yourself to this for nearly two years - little wonder that you are now totally in thrall to it.

(Stand back a moment and try some rational thinking: a person who has made the choice NOT to participate in a clinical trial with no proper informed consent procedure - can that person really "harm" another through his personal, rightful, legitimate choice? Is it really any of your business to challenge his right to abstain? You make your choice to follow the Narrative: fine, good, no problem at all. BUT if you start to insist, with violence of words, that you are RIGHT and they are WRONG, hey presto, totalitarianism lives! and free speech and individual rights die.)

Please be aware that there are thousands of specialists, more qualified and more intelligent than A.Fauci, who have questioned the whole operation since the outset - but you are not allowed to see them. Personally, if I know that the powers that be don't "allow" me to pursue a perfectly legitimate course of action (getting information on other points of view), I will be the first to rebel, and to DO IT! If you want to consider other legitimate scientific arguments, you can find them easily (and we're not talking dark web, haven for all manner of perversions).

But if you just want to go on swallowing the official version and complying and doing what's expected and allowed, that's perfectly within your rights.
gol979 · 41-45, M
The meaning of the term gene therapy in this context is still not quite defined.

Saying that, mrna is giving instructions/modifying (I have issue with that language but for ease) a gene, in this instance to generate a spike protein. You can easily make the case that's it's gene therapy.

The reason this hasn't been defined, imo, is because it's still an experiment. It's unknown
gol979 · 41-45, M
@WalterF none of us should be at ease with this. We can see what is happening with country after country decreeing that respective governments have control over our bodies. They own us.

It does not matter your opinion of covid or the injection, bodily autonomy is a rubicon that has zero morale justification to be crossed. None. That's includes your freedom of movement too (injection passports/proof)
WalterF · 70-79, M
@gol979 Agreed, again.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@WalterF imagine that being the "extreme" point of view. Man, they have fucked our minds in the last couple of decades. Trying to finish the job
1490wayb · 56-60, M
science now has the capability to grow new organs from just a cell in labs...no more donors will be required and waiting lists will become extinct
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
This was already debunked but I wouldn't mind taking gene therapy, my genes probably need therapy.
Kim1975 · 46-50, F
Dr Google crap again !!!!!
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Kim1975 Google has been bought by the controllers. You'll only find "fact-checked" stuff on Google. So no, this is not Google
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Why don't you tell us some more about these controllers, @WalterF? Are the controllers in the room with you right now? What do they look like?
WalterF · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire They look like the virus you are protecting yourself from while driving alone, all masked up, in the air, all round you. But they are much more dangerous. If treated early, all but the oldest / sickest survive. (Though if Fauci denies that any treatment is available, many more will die.)

Those who control the Message are much more dangerous. If you don't know who pulls governments' strings, who makes them impose lockdowns etc., who forces experimental gene therapy injections on people worldwide, and why they are doing it - if you don't know that, then you are walking round with your eyes and brain masked up as well as your mouth. You are a perfect example of successful brainwashing by the media, who are handsomely paid to push the story.

Anyway, I wish you all the best. Nice to talk to you. I look forward to other occasions when you will no doubt display your allegiance to The Message. (NB The perfect example of manipulation: the manipulated person doesn't know it has happened to him)
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
So, your source is this screenshot from an unknown website.
Notsimilar · 31-35, F
@LordShadowfire huh? 😂
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Notsimilar I'm always wary of fonts and layouts. My old granny used to say, Beware of fonts and layouts. They are used by liars. They are used to harm people.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire Get away with what? Posting something true??
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
Please explain how it is gene therapy.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@iamonfire696 You have to resort to insults. How childish.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@WalterF I didn’t insult you. I stated a fact. You can’t produce the evidence so your claim is unsupported.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@iamonfire696 If, by "my claim", you mean tbe words I added to the extract, they only echo the speaker's words. So, once again - my capacity or non-capacity to reason, analyse, think, even breathe, are irrelevant here.

 
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