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WalterF · 70-79, M
@SW-User Take it up with Stefan Oelrich, head man at Bayer, a man of "the science". He knows a thing or two about this. Even the fact-checkers treat him with respect. It really is NOT in his interest to tell a lie here. Really makes us think.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF
Umm, you do know that Stefan Oelrich isn’t a scientist, right? He has no scientific training... he’s an administrator
Stefan Oelrich
Umm, you do know that Stefan Oelrich isn’t a scientist, right? He has no scientific training... he’s an administrator
WalterF · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Ah, so this means that he has no idea what he's saying, does it? That's a convenient let-out for you then. Just some dumb administrator shouting his mouth off with disastrously incriminating evidence against his company. Pity they gave him the mike without supervision. He kinda let the cat out of the bag... But don't worry. He's only a nobody. Can't take him seriously. Phew, that's a relief.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF
You have already been shown that the snippet you posted is false. You have been given a video of Oelrich’s speech... a video that demonstrates the falsity of your ridiculous claims.
Shall I take you back through what you have already been shown?
Would that help you?
Your persistence in trying to spread these lies is indicative of the contempt in which you hold other people. I have news for you... other people are not stupid, and your behaviour is seen by everyone for what it is... an attempt to harm them.
disastrously incriminating evidence
You have already been shown that the snippet you posted is false. You have been given a video of Oelrich’s speech... a video that demonstrates the falsity of your ridiculous claims.
Shall I take you back through what you have already been shown?
Would that help you?
Your persistence in trying to spread these lies is indicative of the contempt in which you hold other people. I have news for you... other people are not stupid, and your behaviour is seen by everyone for what it is... an attempt to harm them.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF In case you somehow missed it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBmVwuv0Qc
To save you time (so that you can get back to wilfully spreading harm) you can skip straight to 9 minutes in.
Oelrich does not claim that mRna Covid vaccines are gene therapy. He says that mRna Covid vaccines are an example of what new technologies such as gene or cell therapy can be. “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy” does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example of that cell and gene therapy”
You might also bear in mind that Stefan Oelrich is German, and is speaking in a foreign language... an easy target for those wanting to spread harmful lies and misinformation (I won’t bother giving you a lesson on the different structure and use of the subjunctive in English and German... unless you’d like me to do so. Just ask)
When told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”
In like vein, when he speaks of 95% he is suggesting that mRNA has been so successful as a vaccine vector that although 95% of people would once have rejected gene therapy then today more people might might be receptive to new technologies, of which mRNA vectors and gene therapies are two separate examples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBmVwuv0Qc
To save you time (so that you can get back to wilfully spreading harm) you can skip straight to 9 minutes in.
Oelrich does not claim that mRna Covid vaccines are gene therapy. He says that mRna Covid vaccines are an example of what new technologies such as gene or cell therapy can be. “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy” does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example of that cell and gene therapy”
You might also bear in mind that Stefan Oelrich is German, and is speaking in a foreign language... an easy target for those wanting to spread harmful lies and misinformation (I won’t bother giving you a lesson on the different structure and use of the subjunctive in English and German... unless you’d like me to do so. Just ask)
When told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”
In like vein, when he speaks of 95% he is suggesting that mRNA has been so successful as a vaccine vector that although 95% of people would once have rejected gene therapy then today more people might might be receptive to new technologies, of which mRNA vectors and gene therapies are two separate examples.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 I have just read your previous post, which supports my first point in the long reply just posted: that I am "harming people".
The regularity of the occurrence of this utterly ridiculous term shows that it is not your original thinking. It is a received cliché, a tiny part of the drip drip 24-hour media brainwashing apparatus. You have exposed yourself to this for nearly two years - little wonder that you are now totally in thrall to it.
(Stand back a moment and try some rational thinking: a person who has made the choice NOT to participate in a clinical trial with no proper informed consent procedure - can that person really "harm" another through his personal, rightful, legitimate choice? Is it really any of your business to challenge his right to abstain? You make your choice to follow the Narrative: fine, good, no problem at all. BUT if you start to insist, with violence of words, that you are RIGHT and they are WRONG, hey presto, totalitarianism lives! and free speech and individual rights die.)
Please be aware that there are thousands of specialists, more qualified and more intelligent than A.Fauci, who have questioned the whole operation since the outset - but you are not allowed to see them. Personally, if I know that the powers that be don't "allow" me to pursue a perfectly legitimate course of action (getting information on other points of view), I will be the first to rebel, and to DO IT! If you want to consider other legitimate scientific arguments, you can find them easily (and we're not talking dark web, haven for all manner of perversions).
But if you just want to go on swallowing the official version and complying and doing what's expected and allowed, that's perfectly within your rights.
The regularity of the occurrence of this utterly ridiculous term shows that it is not your original thinking. It is a received cliché, a tiny part of the drip drip 24-hour media brainwashing apparatus. You have exposed yourself to this for nearly two years - little wonder that you are now totally in thrall to it.
(Stand back a moment and try some rational thinking: a person who has made the choice NOT to participate in a clinical trial with no proper informed consent procedure - can that person really "harm" another through his personal, rightful, legitimate choice? Is it really any of your business to challenge his right to abstain? You make your choice to follow the Narrative: fine, good, no problem at all. BUT if you start to insist, with violence of words, that you are RIGHT and they are WRONG, hey presto, totalitarianism lives! and free speech and individual rights die.)
Please be aware that there are thousands of specialists, more qualified and more intelligent than A.Fauci, who have questioned the whole operation since the outset - but you are not allowed to see them. Personally, if I know that the powers that be don't "allow" me to pursue a perfectly legitimate course of action (getting information on other points of view), I will be the first to rebel, and to DO IT! If you want to consider other legitimate scientific arguments, you can find them easily (and we're not talking dark web, haven for all manner of perversions).
But if you just want to go on swallowing the official version and complying and doing what's expected and allowed, that's perfectly within your rights.