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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
If you weren’t so eager to harm people, you might at least have attempted to find the source which some two-bit website deliberately and maliciously distorted for its own disgusting purposes.
I’ve done it for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBmVwuv0Qc
To save you time (so that you can get back to wilfully spreading harm) you can skip straight to 9 minutes in.
Oelrich does not claim that mRna Covid vaccines are gene therapy. He says that mRna Covid vaccines are an example of what new technologies such as gene or cell therapy can be. “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy” does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example of that cell and gene therapy”
You might also bear in mind that Stefan Oelrich is German, and is speaking in a foreign language... an easy target for those wanting to spread harmful lies and misinformation (I won’t bother giving you a lesson on the different structure and use of the subjunctive in English and German... unless you’d like me to do so. Just ask)
When told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”
In like vein, when he speaks of 95% he is suggesting that mRNA has been so successful as a vaccine vector that although 95% of people would once have rejected gene therapy then today more people might might be receptive to new technologies, of which mRNA vectors and gene therapies are two separate examples.
So run along and find some other way to sow doubt in the minds of those who might otherwise benefit from vaccination.
I’ve done it for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBmVwuv0Qc
To save you time (so that you can get back to wilfully spreading harm) you can skip straight to 9 minutes in.
Oelrich does not claim that mRna Covid vaccines are gene therapy. He says that mRna Covid vaccines are an example of what new technologies such as gene or cell therapy can be. “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy” does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example of that cell and gene therapy”
You might also bear in mind that Stefan Oelrich is German, and is speaking in a foreign language... an easy target for those wanting to spread harmful lies and misinformation (I won’t bother giving you a lesson on the different structure and use of the subjunctive in English and German... unless you’d like me to do so. Just ask)
When told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”
In like vein, when he speaks of 95% he is suggesting that mRNA has been so successful as a vaccine vector that although 95% of people would once have rejected gene therapy then today more people might might be receptive to new technologies, of which mRNA vectors and gene therapies are two separate examples.
So run along and find some other way to sow doubt in the minds of those who might otherwise benefit from vaccination.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@newjaninev2 I lot of the people on this site have cognitive issues with reading properly and interpreting what they read, particularly when they read the interpretation of some other post.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Sorry, I didn't reaď that - not after you said I was "spreading harm". This is just so ridiculous, I can't understand how a thinking person could countenance this idea. So, if I'm for example a Christian believer, and you say "God doesn't exist", I could then accuse you of spreading harm? Absolutely incredible, to the highest degree! Despairing stuff, really!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF What do your gods have to do with anything?
You sow doubt, and people hesitate to undertake a course of action that will prevent, or at the very least ameliorate, harm they will otherwise incur.
You sow doubt on the basis of misinformation, fear mongering, and sophistry.
Is my distaste showing?
I hope so
You sow doubt, and people hesitate to undertake a course of action that will prevent, or at the very least ameliorate, harm they will otherwise incur.
You sow doubt on the basis of misinformation, fear mongering, and sophistry.
Is my distaste showing?
I hope so
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WalterF · 70-79, M
@Thewhazzupdude Doc says I'm fine, just need to keep up the ice baths
@WalterF This is not a physical issue, you are mentally disturbed. Please get help for that, I am sure you were a goed person before this
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Thewhazzupdude So, tell me: what's your solution? People who decline the covid injections and the two-year-long fear narrative - what should be done with them? (For the good of the majority, of course.) Sequestration? Imprisonment? Re-education? - This would in order to protect others, clearly. And for national security. They are bioterrorists, are they not? How far would you go? This is just to help us understand your mentality.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF
It’s interesting to see the direction in which your thinking runs
Sequestration? Imprisonment? Re-education?
It’s interesting to see the direction in which your thinking runs
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WalterF · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Oh a wonderful fact-checker technique I hadn't seen yet! The guy is German, so he was speaking foreign, so he'll probably be misinterpreted, so he's not reliable! That's the best ever! You've made my day!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WalterF
Oh, he’ll be misinterpreted whatever way he speaks, and whatever language he uses... because the misinterpretation is wilful and mischievous.
Dowwnright malicious, in fact.
Here’s exactly what he said: “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy”
Here’s what the malicious matters have been telling people that he said: does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example of that cell and gene therapy”
wilful, mischievous, malicious... and just plain dishonest
And let me remind you that when told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”
he'll probably be misinterpreted
Oh, he’ll be misinterpreted whatever way he speaks, and whatever language he uses... because the misinterpretation is wilful and mischievous.
Dowwnright malicious, in fact.
Here’s exactly what he said: “Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy”
Here’s what the malicious matters have been telling people that he said: does not mean “Ultimately mRNA vaccines are an example of that cell and gene therapy”
wilful, mischievous, malicious... and just plain dishonest
And let me remind you that when told of the lies and distortions being used as a result of his speech, Stefan Oelrich emphasised that mRNA vaccines "are not gene therapy, because the mRNA present in the vaccine remains in the body for a short period of time and does not alter the recipient’s genetic material in any way”
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@ArishMell Yes, they’re excellent examples of why we use the evidence-based scientific methodology
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 There seems a cutious but very widespread trait not to want the truth but to fall for any lurid alternative; perhaps because the alternatives offer simple "certainty" without the effort of learning and understanding.
It's nothing new - I heard a documantary on the radio this morningf about an appalling travesty of justice in 1970s America, but in which I see echoes of the 17C "Witchfinder General" in 17C England.
The only difference was the subject. The US case arose from a radio presenter encouraging conspiracy-fantasies about "satanic" child-abuse; whereas the self-styled,, self-appointed Witchfinder General exploited very deep, very widespread superstitions. He lead to innocent people being hanged on invented evidence for illogical accusations. The radio host simply set out to ruin people's lives to suit his fantasy.
No doubt the "witch" persecutor would have felt the same as the broadcaster - who still has no shame for the damage he wrought, and continues to think himself right!
Some refuse vaccination through personal fear of being vaccinated anyway. Otherwise the parallel between pro-pandemic capaigners (and often science generally despite using to to spread their merssage) and the witch-hunters is that mob-fear trait.
It is bolstered by a common fear of uncertainty. Science works by testing uncertainties and narrowing their bounds by measurement and logic. The witch-hunters old and new manipulate the ancient fear of uncertainty by persuading people to accept absolutes, however illogical let alone honest.
So-called "social media" (anti-social media) just makes it easier to create, disseminate and magnify the wrong by bringing so many more people with the same views into contact; mutually reinforcing their ignorance and fear.
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At least 19C Arthur Conan-Doyle and 20C Erik von Daniken, both conspiracy-fantasists par excellence, never threatened lives or livelihoods with the nonsense they wrote.
It's nothing new - I heard a documantary on the radio this morningf about an appalling travesty of justice in 1970s America, but in which I see echoes of the 17C "Witchfinder General" in 17C England.
The only difference was the subject. The US case arose from a radio presenter encouraging conspiracy-fantasies about "satanic" child-abuse; whereas the self-styled,, self-appointed Witchfinder General exploited very deep, very widespread superstitions. He lead to innocent people being hanged on invented evidence for illogical accusations. The radio host simply set out to ruin people's lives to suit his fantasy.
No doubt the "witch" persecutor would have felt the same as the broadcaster - who still has no shame for the damage he wrought, and continues to think himself right!
Some refuse vaccination through personal fear of being vaccinated anyway. Otherwise the parallel between pro-pandemic capaigners (and often science generally despite using to to spread their merssage) and the witch-hunters is that mob-fear trait.
It is bolstered by a common fear of uncertainty. Science works by testing uncertainties and narrowing their bounds by measurement and logic. The witch-hunters old and new manipulate the ancient fear of uncertainty by persuading people to accept absolutes, however illogical let alone honest.
So-called "social media" (anti-social media) just makes it easier to create, disseminate and magnify the wrong by bringing so many more people with the same views into contact; mutually reinforcing their ignorance and fear.
'
At least 19C Arthur Conan-Doyle and 20C Erik von Daniken, both conspiracy-fantasists par excellence, never threatened lives or livelihoods with the nonsense they wrote.