ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@TexChik Ah, yes. A constitutional republic. Also known as a representative what?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@JimboSaturn There never was a Democracy.
The USA constitution was rigged against it even from inception.
The didn't even consider the vast majority even people. They were afraid of real people. And still are afraid of real people.
AI analysis of just my statement.
The USA constitution was rigged against it even from inception.
The didn't even consider the vast majority even people. They were afraid of real people. And still are afraid of real people.
AI analysis of just my statement.
Your thoughts highlight a critical perspective on the foundations of American democracy. Indeed, the U.S. Constitution was crafted in a way that reflects a compromise between various interests, and many argue it prioritized stability and governance over broader democratic ideals.
Historical Context
Limited Representation
At the inception of the U.S., key groups such as enslaved people, women, and native populations were excluded from the democratic process. The framers of the Constitution were primarily concerned with protecting the interests of wealthy landowners and preserving order, often at the expense of a fully inclusive democracy.
The Electoral College
The establishment of the Electoral College is often cited as a mechanism that undermines direct democracy. This system was designed to balance power between populous and less populous states, but it can result in scenarios where the popular vote does not determine the outcome of elections, fueling skepticism about true representation.
Ongoing Concerns
Current Perceptions
Many people express frustration with perceived elitism in politics today, feeling that leaders are out of touch with the needs and opinions of ordinary citizens. This ongoing disconnect raises questions about the effectiveness and authenticity of democratic processes.
Fear of the Majority
The concern that elites fear "real people" often resurfaces in discussions about voter suppression, gerrymandering, and policies that seem designed to maintain the status quo. Such practices can lead to disenfranchisement and disillusionment among voters.
The conversation around democracy is complex, involving historical contexts, social justice issues, and ongoing political debates.
Historical Context
Limited Representation
At the inception of the U.S., key groups such as enslaved people, women, and native populations were excluded from the democratic process. The framers of the Constitution were primarily concerned with protecting the interests of wealthy landowners and preserving order, often at the expense of a fully inclusive democracy.
The Electoral College
The establishment of the Electoral College is often cited as a mechanism that undermines direct democracy. This system was designed to balance power between populous and less populous states, but it can result in scenarios where the popular vote does not determine the outcome of elections, fueling skepticism about true representation.
Ongoing Concerns
Current Perceptions
Many people express frustration with perceived elitism in politics today, feeling that leaders are out of touch with the needs and opinions of ordinary citizens. This ongoing disconnect raises questions about the effectiveness and authenticity of democratic processes.
Fear of the Majority
The concern that elites fear "real people" often resurfaces in discussions about voter suppression, gerrymandering, and policies that seem designed to maintain the status quo. Such practices can lead to disenfranchisement and disillusionment among voters.
The conversation around democracy is complex, involving historical contexts, social justice issues, and ongoing political debates.
SammyJo · 51-55, F
ThirstenHowl · M
@G7J2O and Trump wants to cancel those
BlueVeins · 26-30
Fundamentally, democracy requires a populace that's interested in discerning truth from fiction and advancing the well-being of themselves and others in order to function. About 30% of the US population has completely ceded their mental faculties to the GOP, and the GOP has built up a gigantic propaganda apparatus to keep their followers stupid and servile.
You simply can't make democracy work in America without fixing that problem, and the methods required to fix that problem are, in themselves, incredibly undemocratic.
You simply can't make democracy work in America without fixing that problem, and the methods required to fix that problem are, in themselves, incredibly undemocratic.
@BlueVeins
Amazing comment. So what do you call the
CNN+ABC+CBS+NBC+MSNBC+NPR+PBS+Hollywood+NYT+WP++++ apparatus?
the GOP has built up a gigantic propaganda apparatus
Amazing comment. So what do you call the
CNN+ABC+CBS+NBC+MSNBC+NPR+PBS+Hollywood+NYT+WP++++ apparatus?
BlueVeins · 26-30
@Heartlander The only thing all of those sources have in common is that they don't lie to their viewers to protect the GOP. To you guys, that's all it takes to be labeled propaganda. Basically all media in the US has propagandistic elements as a consequence of being owned by oligarchs and subject to access journalism, but to even refer to these things by the same term borders on the fallacy of equivocation.
Democracy is but a path, not a destination. It could be a path to that shining city on a hill, or a path to hell, from where escape is very difficult. By contrast, that path to to that shining city city on a hill has to be constantly cleared of influencers and the self serving who disguise hell to look like heaven.
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ThirstenHowl · M
@meJess you people whose only first reaction to the word democracy is to trot out this tired, tired, tired, tired old cliché need to keep on reading, the story doesn't stop where you think it stops. Your simpleton mind trying to snuff conversations before they ever start is not delaying the ultimate death of this country, on the contrary, this adolescent nonsense is only hastening it.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@JimboSaturn 100% correct. "It wasn't a democracy, anyway," they say as they take our rights away.
BizSuitStacy · M
kittee · 26-30
its in need for starting again
gregloa · 61-69, M
And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands!
Dino11 · M
With (45,47,48?), We are just starting the
Golden Age Of America!
Golden Age Of America!
ThirstenHowl · M
I think it has
The bar to getting a more modern constitution is too high (too many red states would have to ratify it, and why would they want to give up their minoritarian advantage granted to them by the current constitution?)
There are no rules specified for how an Article V convention would actually be carried out either ... more of the half-assed job the "founding fathers" did
So without a civil war and dissolution of the current nation, replaced by one or more successor nations, or a sudden evolution spurt in the conservative mindset in red states, the future is bleak, particularly given how much power this nation wields against other nations (now dipshit is threatening tariffs on any countries that don't go along with his desire to take over Greenland ... this is exactly the kind of dictator shit our constitution should prevent)
The bar to getting a more modern constitution is too high (too many red states would have to ratify it, and why would they want to give up their minoritarian advantage granted to them by the current constitution?)
There are no rules specified for how an Article V convention would actually be carried out either ... more of the half-assed job the "founding fathers" did
So without a civil war and dissolution of the current nation, replaced by one or more successor nations, or a sudden evolution spurt in the conservative mindset in red states, the future is bleak, particularly given how much power this nation wields against other nations (now dipshit is threatening tariffs on any countries that don't go along with his desire to take over Greenland ... this is exactly the kind of dictator shit our constitution should prevent)
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
The Tree of liberty is thirsty is all…
MethDozer · M
The USA was only ever slightly democratic. From voting being only for landowners, to laws restricting the right by gender and race, to modern times of denying the right to "naughty boys and girls". Then onto the slap in the face of the very concept that is the Electoral College. It's always been a sham. However whatever small semblance we have had of Democracy is being evaporated but by people whk mistake tyranny for greatness
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
1490wayb · 56-60, M
both political parties manipulate to strengthen their grasp on power they control
carpediem · M
No. The US is a consitutional Republic, not a democracy. Shouldn't you know that robot?
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@carpediem https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/democracy-and-republic
carpediem · M
@ItsMeMorgue You can't make a comment like a grown up? Instead you think I'm interested in what the words mean in latin? LOL
FreeLittleBird · F
Alyosha · 36-40, M
Representative governments tend to stagnate and collapse.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Alyosha And unfortunately, that's because of the human tendency to look around, see that things are pretty much the way they like them, and shrug their shoulders and do nothing, because we assume things will remain the same without us doing anything.
Never mind that it took centuries of work to get to where we are now, and we're still not at a place of total equality.
Never mind that it took centuries of work to get to where we are now, and we're still not at a place of total equality.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire I agree, it may stagnate but that is not because of the structure of the democracy; its due to the education, apathy, and cultural values.
YoMomma ·
america has internal enemies manipulating people within