ArishMell · 70-79, M
There is no "blind generational hatred of Britain for Russia"!
We have no reason to hate Russia and the Russians.
President Putin does like to portray Britain as his enemy, apparently based on events like the Crimean War in the 19C; but if it were not for him the two countries would likely be friends. Indeed, we were, for a time, after the fall of the USSR and before Putin manoeuvred himself into absolute power; but Putin basically fears and despises anyone "West" who does not support his ambitions.
Of course Putin would see any foreign peace-keeping force as a "provocation", because it would be there to try to protect Ukraine from his ambitions. Not from Russia but from the Russian president.
Ukraine is not perfect and has its own internal problems, but that is for itself to sort out as an independant state as Russia agreed - not to be "sorted out" by invasion and destruction by Russian forces on Putin's orders for his own purposes.
We have no reason to hate Russia and the Russians.
President Putin does like to portray Britain as his enemy, apparently based on events like the Crimean War in the 19C; but if it were not for him the two countries would likely be friends. Indeed, we were, for a time, after the fall of the USSR and before Putin manoeuvred himself into absolute power; but Putin basically fears and despises anyone "West" who does not support his ambitions.
Of course Putin would see any foreign peace-keeping force as a "provocation", because it would be there to try to protect Ukraine from his ambitions. Not from Russia but from the Russian president.
Ukraine is not perfect and has its own internal problems, but that is for itself to sort out as an independant state as Russia agreed - not to be "sorted out" by invasion and destruction by Russian forces on Putin's orders for his own purposes.
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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic He asked Jesus to be his Saviour and LORD and that Jesus might forgive him his sins. The fruit of his changed life is everywhere to be seen.
@hippyjoe1955 Asking Jesus into his heart then.
Did he see the seriousness of his sin and that Christ's blood was shed for it and the wrath of God was poured out on Christ (God the Son) for it?
Does he know the means by which Christ can forgive sin?
Did he see the seriousness of his sin and that Christ's blood was shed for it and the wrath of God was poured out on Christ (God the Son) for it?
Does he know the means by which Christ can forgive sin?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic I am not privy to his heart any more than you are privy to mine. I simply see a changed life.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
When there was no one there to confront Russia they poured over the border with the full intention of taking all of Ukraine. The only thing that stopped them is they underestimated Ukraines resolve and readiness to defend Kiev.
You cannot make agreements and treaties with Russia without the power to enforce them. If we don't stop them they will go after Ukraine again or some other neighbor who they sense is weak enough to fall. You might recall how Russia gobbled up Eastern Europe after WWII. Well GB and the EU have good reasons to be concerned.
You cannot make agreements and treaties with Russia without the power to enforce them. If we don't stop them they will go after Ukraine again or some other neighbor who they sense is weak enough to fall. You might recall how Russia gobbled up Eastern Europe after WWII. Well GB and the EU have good reasons to be concerned.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@MoveAlong A young Ukrainian lady came to celebrate Christmas with us. She was working her way around the world. There was some sort of government program that I knew about but didn't participate in. As I was passing the turkey she very calmly and in a matter of fact way said that her mom's house had been destroyed the night before. She went on to say that her mom was safe and not home when the artillery shell destroyed the home that the young lady had grown up in. I asked her where in Ukraine that happened and she told me the name of the village and explained that it was close to the Russian border. I instantly assumed that the Russians had done the damage and she laughed at my ignorance. She said that her village was ethnic Russian and they spoke Russian at home and therefore was the target of Western Ukraine. I was completely shocked. I had been told that Russia was the one interfering in other's lives and here was a young lady telling me the opposite. That led to some investigation and I learned by sifting through the nonsense being told in the official media that indeed Ukraine was attacking ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. Last year I met a single mom from Ukraine. She needed a job and since I had several other Ukrainian ex pats working for me and I needed the help.... She was from western Ukraine and she was breathing absolute hatred toward Russia and Russian speakers. I mentioned the others working for me and one Ukrainian father whose mother in law (whom I have met) is Russian. He is from Kiev. BTW he pronounced it Key ev. He told me that he had heard about the shelling of the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine. It didn't seem to bother him. I am a Canadian. I am a Christian I was kind of shocked to hear people talking so nonchalantly about killing other people. I suppose if I went back in Canadian History say about 1885 the Canadian government used Gatling guns against fellow Canadians so......
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 Absolutely unbelievable.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@MoveAlong Like I said, I didn't form my opinions in a vacuum. I was just a ignorant of facts as anyone else until I met people who were actually involved in the conflict. I can only imagine the hurt that Irena felt knowing her childhood home had been destroyed by her own countrymen because she spoke Russian at home.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
This is so wrong at all levels, it almost defies a rational response. The wrong assumptions about the UK and its people, Putin and his regime and the gross distortion of what is 'Christian' about the Russian Orthodox Church leadership mean that there is too much wrong-headedness to cope with.
The UK does not hate Russia or its people.
It wants to see a just peace in Ukraine
Russia under Putin is an aggressor in an unjust war on a sovereign nation it had previously recognised. THEY are provocateurs
It is surprising for someone who claims to be from 'Bible believing' tradition to be so defensive about an institution which relies as much on traditions and does not accept ideas of 'election' or personal salvation as mainstream protestant does.
I stand by for personal vilification.
The UK does not hate Russia or its people.
It wants to see a just peace in Ukraine
Russia under Putin is an aggressor in an unjust war on a sovereign nation it had previously recognised. THEY are provocateurs
It is surprising for someone who claims to be from 'Bible believing' tradition to be so defensive about an institution which relies as much on traditions and does not accept ideas of 'election' or personal salvation as mainstream protestant does.
I stand by for personal vilification.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK My ideas come from many sources. My mistrust of Government is very well founded. How many jabs did you get to prevent covid? How many WMDs were found in Iraq? What did we gain by taking out Libya? What did we gain by attacking Yugoslavia? What did we gain by attacking Afghanistan? What did the US gain in its war in Vietnam?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 All fair points.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK The war in Ukraine is the result of American and British interference in Ukraine resulting in the Eastern oblasts of Ukraine having a democratic election and voting to join Russia. Russia then held a vote in its parliament accepting those regions into Russia. Only then did the Russians move to defend its territory. Kind of like Britain going to the Falklands and not at all like Canada attacking the Metis in Western Canada in 1885.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
What is behind your blind support for Russia?
Trump has rolled over to Putin's demands and is apparently too weak to defend his own red line that Russia has repeatedly crossed. The European coalition has clearly stated its support for Ukraine's sovereignty and its willingness to continue defending its right to exist.
Trump has rolled over to Putin's demands and is apparently too weak to defend his own red line that Russia has repeatedly crossed. The European coalition has clearly stated its support for Ukraine's sovereignty and its willingness to continue defending its right to exist.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl So you are not aware of what is going on in Ukraine nor do you understand Russian strategy. Anything else you would like to add?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@hippyjoe1955 I am well aware of your selective interpretation of Russian history.
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GovanDUNNY · M
My King and your King Charles should have the last say
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 I saw your earlier post, but why would it be better to be two nations? Both would be run by plutocrats for the benefit of billionaires.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@SpudMuffin Government is best when kept closest to the people being governed. Canada is a HUGE country with many many many differing interests and needs. The fishermen in Newfoundland come to Alberta to make money. Many of them commute bi weekly. Ontario is a nation unto itself as is Quebec. The west is not represented in either house of parliament in any meaningful way. You would have to live here to understand the impossibility of maintaining an empire such as Canada was designed to be in the 21st century.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@GovanDUNNY how naive
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
What peace treaty?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Infamous607 There isn't one yet. Let us keep moving toward peace.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
The media, tv, films, every other baddie is either Russian, or Chinese, brainwashed over the years
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 Let's stop now. It's continuing to be ridiculous and your view of the world has finally made me 🤯
I continue to pray for peace, like you, so let's try to end on some agreement.
I continue to pray for peace, like you, so let's try to end on some agreement.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK We agree that the world needs peace but we need to be aware of who is starting the wars in the first place. Sadly our collective governments in the west are the ones starting the wars. MI6 and the CIA and Mossad are behind much of conflicts in the world today. If they were to not exist many of the wars would not exist either. The war in Ukraine was the result of US/UK inciting a war starting in 2014. Ever hear of the orange revolution? It was not a grass roots movement by the Ukrainians. It was an operation of the CIA/MI6
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ididntknow I suppose all the baddies in Russian and Chinese shows are "Westerners"...
At one time the usual baddies in American films were the indigenous "Indians" or occasional outlaws of European settler stock, organised crime-gang members with coffee-bar names; or the Nazis.
Similarly, "popular culture" for long made pirates in the Carribean all Spanish. At the height of that piracy, in the 16C, the attackers were mainly English privateers, and their victims were the Spanish conquistadores stealing South American native gold!
Historical accuracy is not the film industry's forte....
At one time the usual baddies in American films were the indigenous "Indians" or occasional outlaws of European settler stock, organised crime-gang members with coffee-bar names; or the Nazis.
Similarly, "popular culture" for long made pirates in the Carribean all Spanish. At the height of that piracy, in the 16C, the attackers were mainly English privateers, and their victims were the Spanish conquistadores stealing South American native gold!
Historical accuracy is not the film industry's forte....