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There are establishment Republicans and then there are conservatives. Don't confuse the two.

Even if you don't believe that Conservatism is just the road to Fascism, then non-establishment Conservatives would be like 5% of the Right.
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]prove nothing[/quote]
Who said anything about "proof"?
Regardless, thereby beg the question: where do you get your claims from? Serious question - you reject facts, you reject studies, so from what dark orifice do you pull your claims???
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BohemianBoo I think you misspelled liberals who science and logic are complete strangers.
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]I think you misspelled liberals who science and logic are complete strangers.[/quote]
Try writing a proper English sentence, [b]LOL!!![/b]

Science is based on evidence. Where's yours??
Paladin · 56-60, M
There are conservatives, and then there are those who were sucked in by trump. Those two should never be confused.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 thank you for enlightening me on that.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@SomeMichGuy why laugh at my comment to hippyjoe. I wasn't being sarcastic. I sincerely was thanking him.
@dakotaviper Oh, sorry! I don't see him.
Well, it is a very strange time, indeed, when Mitt Romney is a MODERATE Republican!

The GOP has moved so far to the Right that it has abandoned any pretense at being able to even FIND the middle ground, let alone meet there to make deals.

it's inability to distance itself from Trump shows the true nature of the current Republicans in Congress. They know that demographics will ultimately be the death knell for the current Party, so they are trying to do everything possible to assure the only Presidents they can elect: more "minority governments"...
Edmund Burke established the founding principles of conservatism, and according to his definitions, establishment Republicans are FAR closer to conservatism than Trumpists are.

So, while Burke would agree with you that the two are very different, he would also tell you that you have no clue what "conservatism" actually has meant in the world for 200+ years.
@dakotaviper MAGA was warm, fuzzy, feel-good--but amorphous--slogan which became short-hand for the mélange of stuff which DJT said. It involved a lot of bluster, some very oft-repeated & specific promises, etc.
It looked good on hats & stickers, but, even though DJT had the votes in the Senate to deliver on the promises, he didn't. It seems that his many lies make no a difference to the true believers.

"Build Back Better" was the name for a specific set of proposals, not a hat slogan, and not being able to deliver on it was because Biden didn't have enough votes in the Senate (unlike Trump).

And content-wise, they are vastly different.
@SomeMichGuy @dakotaviper
I kept a small list of "MAGA" promises made by Trump, who
* Promised a tax cut that pays for itself;
* Promised to replace Obamacare with something better and cheaper that covers everyone;
* Promised a trillion dollars worth of infrastructure spending;
* Promised "We're going to see economic growth of 4, 5 & maybe 6%!";
* Promised to reduce deficit and eventually balance the budget;
* Promised to reduce prices of prescription drugs;
* Promised he had made the world safe from Kim Jong Un's missiles;
* Promised to LOCK HER UP!
* Promised to make Mexico pay for that wall;
* Promised to release his tax returns;
* Promised to cut the number of tax brackets, repeal the alternative minimum tax,eliminate the carried interest loophole, and allow individuals to deduct health care insurance premiums from taxes.

That's several trillion dollars worth of broken promises there, LOL!!
@ElwoodBlues Thank you for this depressing list!
RebelFox · 36-40, F
Y’all just keep dividing yourself like they want you to, you’re doing great at destroying community
I'd settle for more of either one at this point, as opposed to Trumpists and neo-Trumpists.
smiler2012 · 56-60
🤷‍♂️ sorry is there a difference if so please explain what they are . this is a genuine question and not a piss take [rockthehouse]
4meAndyou · F
I am interested to hear your definitions of both.
@4meAndyou The fundamental difference is that Establishment Republicans are primarily concerned with maintaining political power. They are attempting to restructure the Republican party in order to be more inclusive and get more votes. Traditionally, the Republican party advocated for a free society, religious liberties, limited role of government and fiscal responsibility. Those are conservative values. Those are the values that characterize American Conservatives. The Establishment Republicans that are in the Congress today, many of them have held seats for multiple terms - decades even. They have become complacent and apparently they've abandoned the notion of being accountable to their constituents.
4meAndyou · F
@RocktheHouse Establishment Republicans, in that case, are beginning to smell bad, and need to be changed up.

Your definition of a conservative or traditional Republican sounds like a Libertarian.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Human1000 · M
Conservatism was always pretty rarified air. William Buckley wasn’t exactly typical.

 
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